## [SI-LIST] Re: Even mode, common mode, and mode conversion

• From: "Dima Smolyansky" <Dima@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
• To: <doug@xxxxxxxxxx>, <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
• Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:54:11 -0800

```Doug:

The distinction is subtle, and the two mode impedances are defined as :
- Differential mode impedance is impedance between two traces when the
traces are driven with differential stimulus
- Odd mode impedance is impedance of one of the traces when the traces are
driven with differential stimulus

In practical terms, if you need to measure odd mode impedance with TDR
oscilloscope, you would simply drive the trace pair differentially and
measure one channel only (no waveform math). If you need to measure
differential mode impedance, you would drive the trace pair differentially
and subtract your voltage waveforms on the two channels, or add the
impedance waveforms, depending on how your scope operates. If your traces
are symmetric, then the differential impedance is simply twice the odd mode.

We have an FAQ entry on our web site at
http://www.tdasystems.com/faq/faqTDR.htm#even_odd_modes.

Thanks,

===================
Dima Smolyansky
TDA Systems, Inc.
11140 SW Barbur Blvd., Suite 100
Portland, OR 97219
(503) 246-2272
(503) 246-2282 (fax)
(503) 804-7171 (mobile)
www.tdasystems.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Brooks" <doug@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 9:31 AM
Subject: [SI-LIST] Even mode, common mode, and mode conversion

>
> Gurus,
>
> I've been following the thread on mode conversion and suspect I am not the
> only one with this question. Can someone explain, in layman's terms:
>
> The distinction between even mode and common mode?
>         between odd mode and differential MODE (not to be confused with
> differential traces)
>
> And does the existence of differential traces add any complications to
> these distinctions?
>
> Thanks for bringing the dummies along with you!
>
> Doug Brooks
>
>
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