Vinod, In general, I do not suggest to use the term "ground", neither in grounded equipment, nor in hand held equipment. It just leads to confusion. It is better to think about current, return current and field control. For a hand held device it is worth to distinguish four types of ESD failure types: 1) Direct discharge into a PIN causes damage, usually to the next IC 2) Discharges to the current return planes, or structural elements cause field coupling into ICs. This usually does not lead to damage, but in most cases to upsets 3) Secondary breakdown. The discharge takes place to the handheld device, the handheld device is connected, e.g., to a charger. The charger has a two wire power connection. Thus, a voltage will be created between the charger input and its output, leading to a second spark inside the charger. This is often called "secondary breakdown". This can damage the charger. Secondary breakdown can also occur if there are floating metal parts on the portable device. They would charge up, and breakdown to the nearest other metal. If that happens within the portable device, than this secondary breakdown is very close to ICs, so it often leads to upset problems. Regarding current return planes ("GND planes"). In most cases it is the best to have one solid plane, all ESD protection, Vss etc. connects to it. If the plane is separated, then one needs to fully understand up to which frequency this separation really is a separation, which signals cross the separation and what the consequence of a voltage between the two planes is. If an ESD hits a PIN and a protection device, e.g., a 100nF capacitor, a diode or alike, then current will flow onto the ground plane. This current will spread. The current densitiy is coupled with the surface magnetic field. This surface magnetic field will couple in loops formed by traces, and in portable devices often couple directly into the leadframe and bond wires of ICs. The ICs will see pretty narrow < 1ns pulses on their inputs due to the coupling. This can lead to upsets of the ICs. Besides the magnetic field coupling there is electric field coupling which tends to couple more into high impedance circuits (e.g., often intoLCDs, high impedance turn on circuits, stand by circuits). If an upset like error occurs in a system the best way to find its root cause is using ESD scanning. The methodology is explained at http://scholarsmine.mst.edu/post_prints/SusceptibilityScanningAsFailureA nalysisToolForSys_09007dcc8052614c.html Please check http://web.mst.edu/~davidjp/publications.html and http://scholarsmine.mst.edu/browse/index_by_paper_author_a82714c41ce87a8 8801048e4b67c9bd9.html for ESD related publications of our group. Please contact me directly for further analysis of your specific layout. Dr. David Pommerenke Missouri University of Science and Technology (MST), former name: UMR 118 EECH, 301 W. 16th Street, Rolla, MO 65409-0040 573 341 4531, cell: 573 308 2019 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Smith" <doug@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "Vivekkumar M-ERS,HCLTech" <Vivekkumarm@xxxxxx> Cc: "Arun Kumar P N" <arun@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: ESD protectioin at a Digital Input > Hi Arun, Vivek, and the group, > > The board layout can easily erase any protection that the protection > device offers. The actual voltage the IC sees can easily be 10, 100 or > more times the clamp voltage depending on the board layout. One such > layout problem is described in my Technical Tidbit for February 2009: > http://emcesd.com/tt2009/tt020309.htm . However, there are many ways to > render the protection device ineffective. > > Doug > > Vivekkumar M-ERS,HCLTech wrote: >> Arun Kumar, >> >> Clamping voltage of an ESD should be closely related to the voltage max >> the pin of the IC can withstand. Even though the IC supports 1KV ESD >> protection, check with the manufacturer about the max voltage the pins of >> the IC can withstand. Say manufacturer suggests 10V. Then at max you can >> have 15V as clamping voltage. >> >> The danger of having 200V voltage as clamping voltage is that when a >> large surge occurs, the IC is subjected to this much voltage and it may >> damage the IC. >> >> ESD diodes, another the important factor we need to consider is how much >> energy(power dissipation in wattage) it can withstand. This is based on >> the open and short circuit voltages and were your end equipment is >> placed. >> >> Find attached app note from semtech. >> >> http://www.semtech.com/images/datasheet/transient_immunity_standards_iec _61000-4-x.pdf >> >> Regards >> Vivek >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> Behalf Of Arun Kumar P N [arun@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 4:16 PM >> To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [SI-LIST] ESD protectioin at a Digital Input >> >> Hi All, >> >> >> I'm checking for ESD protection at a Digital Input pin. >> >> A Switch is connected to a Schmitt Buffer. 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