Chris, I think the dance floor is called SERDES these days. I haven't seen anyone using transistor level models in that field to get BER estimates down to double digit exponents. Whether it is done in C, Matlab, *-AMS, doesn't matter, its still behavioral modeling, isn't it? Of course, this is a slightly different topic from matching I-V and V-t curves, but no one can escape the correlation steps in this world either, as they shouldn't in the SPICE world either... And I think this thread started mainly around the topic of correlation. Arpad ---------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Chris Cheng [mailto:Chris.Cheng@xxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:31 PM To: Muranyi, Arpad; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] Re: Do you ever measure any of the things you = model? Arpad, I don't think we need to go into a flame war again. I just want to know who is actually shipping IBIS 4.0 or 4.1 models to = customer that can do SSO. We are all dress up, I need to know where's the party ? The Gala Ball of SPICE models for customers with ten million dollar PO = is out of my league, I am settling for the IBIS for the mass punk rave. = Please tell me where is the dance floor ? ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.net List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu