Hello, Chris, About the said ~10ps static offset. I think it is due to the unbalance up and down current in the charge pump. Is my understanding right? If so, the static phase error depends on the mismatch of the up and down current in the charge pump. Of course it is very difficult to make the up and down current equal in practice. 10 percent current mismatch is not uncommon. So the up and down pulse generated by PFD must have about 10 percent mismatch to compensate the mismatch current in the charge pump. If the up and down pulse generated by PFD have about 400ps (That is already very small. Do you think so), The static phase error will be about 40ps. Of course, ~40ps is still better that what clock tree can get in most large ASIC. Best Regards, Yawei Guo >From: Chris Cheng <chris.cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >Reply-To: chris.cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx >To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Dead Band in PLL >Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:48:36 -0800 > >If you can tolerate a slight ~10ps static offset, the classic non-dead zone >design extend both the up and down pulse to a non-zero pulse width at zero >phase error by slightly delaying the reset circuits of the PFD. A carefully >design PFD and VCO combo can optimize the natural operating point of VCO at >the desire frequency to be close to what the charge pump wants to stay when >both up and down pulse are on during zero phase error. Phase error around >10ps is not uncommon. This is usually acceptable to most large ASIC designs >since the clock tree balance tolerance is worst than that anyways. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Parthasarathy Sampath [mailto:parthsv@xxxxxxxxx] >Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:46 AM >To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Cc: analogcmos_vlsi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [SI-LIST] Dead Band in PLL > > >Hi All, > How does one reduce/avoid Dead Band in PFD. The >usual one is to rely on small glitch generated by Two >Flip-Flops (in case PFD is based on FF design). Is it >the standard in the industry > Also, if the PFD is different from FF's,say based on >NOR gates, how does one reduce the dead band? > >Thanks in Advance, > >Regards, >Partha! > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard >http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List technical documents are available at: > http:/www.si-list.org > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List technical documents are available at: > http:/www.si-list.org > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > _________________________________________________________________ 享用世界上最大的电子邮件系统― MSN Hotmail。 http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http:/www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu