On Friday 07 December 2001 08:19, Peter LaFlamme wrote: > Hi Bob, > I am involved in a similar situation. I have not run across a lot of info on > SI or timing issues, however, on the Micron site there is a "designer's > toolkit" that offers some things that help. I found that the power calculator > tool is quite handy. > Additionally, the DDR spec and addendum are mostly concerned with the timing > diagrams and pin-outs for the 4/8/16 bit wide devices. You may be able to > find more info if you look into the SDRAM stuff, since the DDR is SDRAM with > data registered on both > edges of the clock. > > Let me know if you find anything additional. It would be helpful. There's quite a bit of applications stuff at http://www.ami2.com It makes a huge difference whether you're doing point-to-point or bussed data. Point-to-point is much cleaner, but there's less application data for it. (JC-16 is working some of that now. Better late than never.) It turns out that useful metrics for nonlinear (i.e. practical) drivers in near-resonant reflected-wave applications are hard to come by, by the way. We're probably going to be forced to define a characterization environment and just put a limit on jitter. > "Khederian, Bob" wrote: > > > > I am doing a design with DDR SDRAM. I am using discrete devices, not > > modules. Does anyone know of some good application notes for signal > > integrity issues on these parts. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from si-list: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > > > For help: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > > List archives are viewable at: > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > or at our remote archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > -- > Peter LaFlamme > > Applied Micro Circuits Corp. > Staff System Applications Engineer > 200 Minuteman Rd, 3rd Floor > Andover, MA 01810 > > 978-247-8470 phone > 978-623-0055 Fax > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > -- | The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. | | Because the slow, feeble old codgers like me cheat. | +--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> --------------+ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu