Brian, if you're talking about flipchip bumps, the current capacity per bump is limited by electromigration of the thin stackup of metal layers between the solder bump and the die pad (UBM=Under Bump Metallization). Different bumping technologies use different UBM stackups and some are more susceptible than others so it depends on who is doing your bumping/UBM. Bascially, the issue is that under HTOL conditions, the current combined with the temperature will promote electromigration/consumption of the UBM materials. If they get consumed, the bump will open. It also depends on the size of the bump/UBM pad. The following factors play into this: junction temp during HTOL testing, UBM size, life expectancy goal (MTTF). Bump solder type can also play a role. K&S (Flipchip Technologies) has a bunch of data that gives max allowable current capacity per bump as a function of Tj (in order to meet 10,000hr MTTF). Depending on the bump pad UBM size, the current capacity can range from 45mA to 120mA (at Tj=150C) and higher if Tj is lower. This data is available on the the K&S web site (http://www.kns.com/prodserv/flipchip/pdf/design-gde/foc.pdf). Note: this data is only applicable to the K&S bumping process. It does not apply to other bumping processes since they typically use different UBM systems - although the K&S UBM tends to be on low end of electromigration resistance - not bad but just less resistant than other UBM systems (K&S or others may respectfully disagree). Regards, Matt Matt Kaufmann Principal Engineer - IC Assembly and Packaging Development Broadcom Corporation 2451 Mission College Blvd. Santa Clara, CA 95054 408-922-3183(desk)/408-464-9354(cell/pager)/408-922-1023(fax) mkaufmann@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Brian Schieck Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:04 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Current capacity of a Solder Ball All I want is the current capacity. Consider power delivery Balls > Plane > Wires or Bumps If my IC needs 20 Amps DC for core support how many bumps are needed to supply this? I know the capacity of the ball pads on the bottom (cu thickness / width / size ). I know a blind via (filled can carry 400 ma) and I can use multiple vias / ball pad/. I know the planes can handle more than 20 AMPS. I know if it is Wirebond each 0.9 mil wire can handle 900 ma. So how much can a ball carry underrated? I'll figure out what I would like to apply as a derating i.e. the addition of balls till I'm comfortable with the power delivery. I want to design quantity of Balls to a real spec. I want to decide my margin. I know that 400 ma is bull. Balls can pull AMPS. Brian Schieck NVidia Corporation 2701 San Tomas Expressway MS B22-221 Santa Clara, California 95050 Direct Phone # (408) 486-2697 Corp Phone # (408) 486-2000 x62697 Local Fax # (408) 486-8078 Corp Fax # (408) 486-2200 Email bschieck@xxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: James.Freeman@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:James.Freeman@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:30 PM To: Brian Schieck Subject: RE: [SI-LIST] Current capacity of a Solder Ball Hi Brian, How are things. Are you looking at a bump or a ball for this info? Jim Freeman -----Original Message----- From: Brian Schieck [mailto:BSchieck@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:13 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Current capacity of a Solder Ball Does any one know what the current carrying capacity of a solder ball is? How is the capacity determined? Is the capacity derated to account for temperature and voids? for a 60 mil solder ball. Brian Schieck NVidia Corporation 2701 San Tomas Expressway MS B22-221 Santa Clara, California 95050 Direct Phone # (408) 486-2697 Corp Phone # (408) 486-2000 x62697 Local Fax # (408) 486-8078 Corp Fax # (408) 486-2200 Email bschieck@xxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu