Hi All, I agree with Ozgur and Pat. The current capacity is really governed by the trace dimensions, or what ever bottleneck a VDD plane is experiencing. When I asked the question a few months back I was comparing the capacity of the ball against a solder bump. I never did use the figures for the balls, as someone rightly pointed out, it'll melt the substrate. Regards, Moses Chan At 03:35 PM 2/5/03 -0700, Ozgur Misman wrote: >Hi All, >I certainly agree with some of the authors that the current carrying >capability of a solderball can not be solely determined by considering the >solderball as a seperate entity. >The current capacity could mainly be influenced by the quality and the >metallurgy of the Solderball/ soderballpad interface. >My question would be whether the ball falls off before it melts? >By the way, I have not come across any technical paper on this issue, >although I have been looking for it for some time. >If anybody has any reference that points out to measured data. PLease >forward a copy to me , I would be very interested. >Regards, >Ozgur Misman > > > > > > >Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx@freelists.org on 02/05/2003 02:39:48 PM > >Please respond to Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx > >Sent by: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > >To: weirsp@xxxxxxxxxx, mchan@xxxxxxxxxxx, BSchieck@xxxxxxxxxx, > si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >cc: > > >Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Current capacity of a Solder Ball > > > >Steve, >Let's assume that all your numbers are correct. I had the same conclusion >several years ago at a previous company. We both missed the main point of >Pat's email: You need to re-think what the limiting factor is. It's not >immediately obvious. > >Aubrey Sparkman >Signal Integrity >Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx >(512) 723-3592 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: steve weir [mailto:weirsp@xxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:07 PM > > To: mchan@xxxxxxxxxxx; BSchieck@xxxxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Current capacity of a Solder Ball > > > > > > > > Moses, and Brian, that current number seems low by orders of > > magnitude. First, the electrical resistance is way off. For the > > resistivity value shown which seems about right at 8X Cu, and > > a rectangular > > section 0.2mm X 0.2mm X 0.6mm yields about 0.002 ohms. > > > > Similarly, the thermal resistance value of 41,000 C/W for a > > metallic object > > 24 thousandths thick cannot be right. Take a small glob of > > solder the size > > of a BGA ball on the bench and connect it to a 10V supply and > > a 100 ohm > > resistor. There is no way, that blob will get warm, much > > less melt. It > > will take multiple amperes to melt the foil leading to or > > away from the > > ball, and the foil will fail long before the ball. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Steve. > > > > At 11:32 AM 2/5/2003 -0800, Moses Chan wrote: > > > > >Hi Brian, > > > > > >I asked the same question to the list a few months back and got the > > >following answer, below: > > > > > >Solder Ball (63Sn/37Pb) 0.0006 m > > >Ambient Temp. 34 Deg. C > > >Melting Temp. 189 Deg. C > > >Thermal Conductivity 50 W/m-C > > >Electrical Resistivity 0.000000145 ohm-m > > >Thermal Resistance 41026.51161 C/W > > >DC Electrical Resistance 0.297442209 ohm > > >Total Resistance 0.297442209 ohm > > >Power to Melt 0.003778045 W > > >Current to Melt 0.112702164 Amps > > > > > > > > >Moses Chan > > >Vitesse Semiconductor > > >Camarillo, California > > > > > >At 11:13 AM 2/5/03 -0800, Brian Schieck wrote: > > > > > > >Does any one know what the current carrying capacity of a > > solder ball is? > > > >How is the capacity determined? > > > >Is the capacity derated to account for temperature and voids? > > > > > > > > > > > >for a 60 mil solder ball. > > > > > > > >Brian Schieck > > > >NVidia Corporation > > > >2701 San Tomas Expressway MS B22-221 > > > >Santa Clara, California 95050 > > > >Direct Phone # (408) 486-2697 > > > >Corp Phone # (408) 486-2000 x62697 > > > >Local Fax # (408) 486-8078 > > > >Corp Fax # (408) 486-2200 > > > > > > > >Email bschieck@xxxxxxxxxx > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >To unsubscribe from si-list: > > > >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the > > Subject field > > > > > > > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > > > >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > > > > > > >For help: > > > >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > > > > > >List archives are viewable at: > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > > >or at our remote archives: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > > >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >To unsubscribe from si-list: > > >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > > > > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > > >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > > > > >For help: > > >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > > > >List archives are viewable at: > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > >or at our remote archives: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from si-list: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > > > For help: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > > List archives are viewable at: > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > or at our remote archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >To unsubscribe from si-list: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > >or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: >//www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > >For help: >si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > >List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list >or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages >Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu