A quick couple of thoughts. And these are only personal opinions (basically, the same counsel I give my college-aged daughters). Among NCG's (New College Grads) resumes, I find myself looking for something to differentiate them from all the others. The things I have found myself looking for are: GPA, relevant experience, enthusiasm, grammar/spelling (attention to detail), and leadership (took lead roles in projects, etc.). So, I personally would consider past experience in PCB layout a plus when reviewing a resume. I would be especially impressed if someone held an applicable job while going to college AND maintained a respectable GPA. =20 Again, these are only personal opinions, and they're subject to change (I've found rating resumes to be a very subjective thing; I haven't been able to turn it into a purely scientific process, it seems to lend itself to being somewhat of an art). Good luck! Jeff Loyer -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of gsletch Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:37 AM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [SI-LIST] Career Advice for a junior EE I have a question, not technical per se, but more career advice related. I am an unemployed EE(US Citizen) with about 3 years experience in the hard hit telecom/computer server industry. My first job out of school was mainly doing high speed digital PCB layout. On occasion, I did some simple schematic capture and I was trained in Cadence's signal integrity tools, but never got into it like I was promised...industry started to tank, environment changed, etc. Long story...anyway. Now to my question, how do engineers/managers view a "newbie" whose previous job was as a PCB Designer, but wants to get into more board level circuit design with less physical design other than supervising layout designers or doing some myself when needed? I feel that the PCB layout exp. was helpful, but not challenging enough; hence, the lateral career move. Am I looked down upon because I was a PCB Designer? Will there ever be an opportunity as a Hardware Engineer? The job market doesn't seem to want to open up for the junior level people...it is closing in on 2 years out of work for me.... I have a BSEE with Graduate level courses in FPGA/ASIC design and (soon to be) board design. Do I have a chance or am I wasting my time? Opinions are welcomed.... ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu