[SI-LIST] Re: A question for the instrument guys on TDR and TDT

Craig

Crosstalk is really insertion loss between two nets.  Just measure TDT =
from
net1 to net2 and compute.

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How would this (TDR/TDT) work for measuring crosstalk?

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On Behalf Of Chris Cheng
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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: A question for the instrument guys on TDR and TDT

I can only speak from a system design perspective. The high speed =3D3D
sampling scope is free because that's basic lab equipment every hardware =
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manager will budget for his lab. A VNA is  an extra equipment solely =3D =
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used for channel modelling/testing or the remote possibility of PD =3D3D
analysis. I never believe in highspeed PD problem beyond the die and =
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package so I never can justify a VNA other than channel measurements. I =
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do have both but I think an impulse response on a sampling scope can =3D =
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satisfies a lot of system designers need for S-parameter measurements. =
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And I believe that scope company up North is listening :-D (just came =
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back from their seminar, LOL) Now if I can use that VNA budget for a
Ferrari......

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Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: A question for the instrument guys on TDR and TDT


Wouldn't a scope fast enough to capture the reflections or transmissions =
of
a 35ps pulse be as or more expensive than a low-cost VNA?

--
Daniel


> From: "Chris Cheng" <Chris.Cheng@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> I can understand the merit of a step response and direct read out of =
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> impedance profile.
> Will it be easy to also include a mode with a sharp pulse instead of =
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> step for an impulse response ? If you have a circuit to generate a =
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> step, can you use it to generate a 35ps pulse also ? I think there are

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> steps you can do to convert one to the other but a direct impulse =
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> response is just too good to pass up.
> Network analyzer on the cheap.
> Thanks in advanced,
> Chris


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