LC (free download) from http://lc.cray.com too can characterize such structures. Thanks, Vinu Geoff Stokes wrote: >Hi All > >No-one has mentioned the tools which can characterise 90 degree bends and >other RF discontinuities on screen. These include, in roughly increasing >order of cost: >Eagleware Genesys >AWR Microwave Office >Agilent EEsof >Cadence SpectreRF > >The effects are small but noticeable at about 1 GHz, increasing at higher >frequencies. Some of these tools will be too expensive for some operations, >but Eagleware do a personal version which does the job for around 1k >dollars. The models are semi-empirical circuit equivalents which are very >good up to 3 or 4 Ghz and are useful up to 10 GHz or possibly more. For >best accuracy at high frequencies a 3D wave simulator is required, such as >Ansoft HFSS or CST Microwave Studio. > >Cheers >Geoff > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Grasso, Charles [mailto:Charles.Grasso@xxxxxxxxxxxx] >>Sent: 30 August 2004 22:34 >>To: 'cpad@xxxxxxxxx'; 'si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' >>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: 90 degree bend >> >> >>Chris, >> >>When signals have a rise time of 100pS or better >>that translates to a bw of 3.5GHz (well into the >>uwave region) - So aren't bends important in this case? >> >>Best Regards >>Charles Grasso >>Senior Compliance Engineer >>Echostar Communications Corp. >>Tel: 303-706-5467 >>Fax: 303-799-6222 >>Cell: 303-204-2974 >>Email: charles.grasso@xxxxxxxxxxxx; >>Email Alternate: chasgrasso@xxxxxxxx >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Chris Padilla [mailto:cpad@xxxxxxxxx] >>Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 10:23 AM >>To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: 90 degree bend >> >> >>I have yet to see any issue arising from bends described as >>below. Simulation doesn't show much and neither does real >>life. In the >>microwave world, yes, they will need consideration. >> >>Chris Padilla >>EMC Engineer >>Cisco Systems >>San Jose, CA >> >>At 09:20 PM 8/30/2004 +0530, Kanakaraj wrote: >> >> >>>Hi, >>>The simplest thing is that when you make 90 degree turns on the pcb >>>track, the electron moving in it cannot make sudden turns..( >>> >>> >>remember >> >> >>>inertia of direction in physics and a bus making a 90 degree turn at >>>full speed)... so some of the electrons will jump out of the >>> >>> >>pcb track >> >> >>>and will cause emi issues.. >>> >>>and Andy, Andrew, Ray anderson and the seniors will give you more >>>inputs on that. 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