Any subt. or add. plating processes for fine line fine pitch... like Buildup technology. So what I'm saying is for those fine line (20um wide), there are more sensitive from a manufacturing point of view and the dimension of the corner may be affected (neck) and consequently reduce the substrate yield... But reduce the yield does not mean it can not be done.... Jean Audet Electrical Analysis World Wide Packaging & Test IBM Burlington Tel: 802-769-0835, tie line: 446-0835 Tel: 450-534-6317, tie line: 552-6317 E-mail: jaudet@xxxxxxxxxx "Lee Ritchey" <leeritchey@earth To: Jean Audet/Bromont/IBM@IBMCA, si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx link.net> cc: Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: 90 degree bend 08/31/2004 12:48 PM Please respond to leeritchey What kind of manufacturing process necks traces down going into corners? Lee W. Ritchey Speeding Edge P. O. Box 2194 Glen Ellen, CA 95442 Phone- 707-568-3983 FAX- 707-568-3504 > [Original Message] > From: Jean Audet <jaudet@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: <leeritchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 8/30/2004 10:19:33 AM > Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: 90 degree bend > > > > > > OOPS.... you are rigth for PCB traces where the lines are wide.. the > over-etching should not be a problem..... BUT From a module perspective, > where the line width can be at 20um wide, the a 90 degree bend may reduce > the substrate yield because you may neck down the line width into the > corner and consequently does not meet the design spec. Also from a > reliability point of view, this neck down will be a weak point. > > > > > > Jean Audet > Electrical Analysis > World Wide Packaging & Test > IBM Burlington > Tel: 802-769-0835, tie line: 446-0835 > Tel: 450-534-6317, tie line: 552-6317 > E-mail: jaudet@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > > "Lee Ritchey" > <leeritchey@earth To: "Andrew Ingraham" <a.ingraham@xxxxxxxx>, si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > link.net> cc: > Sent by: Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: 90 degree bend > si-list-bounce@fr > eelists.org > > > 08/30/2004 12:40 > PM > Please respond to > leeritchey > > > > > > This is another of those statements that are not true and should not be > repeated. Where did this one start? > > I use right angle bends in every signal, or rather, I allow them, even 2.4 > GB/S. > > How long will it take to get the misinformation purged from our profession? > > Lee W. Ritchey > Speeding Edge > P. O. Box 2194 > Glen Ellen, CA 95442 > Phone- 707-568-3983 > FAX- 707-568-3504 > > I just used the energy it took to be angry to write some blues. > Count Basie > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Andrew Ingraham <a.ingraham@xxxxxxxx> > > To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Date: 8/30/2004 9:13:51 AM > > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: 90 degree bend > > > > The other problem is that right-angle bends tend to concentrate etchant > and > > may result in over-etching the trace a bit in the corner. Presumably it > can > > lead to a break in the trace. > > > > For most of us, that's the reason why we don't use right-angle corners. > The > > electrical effects become noticeable if you're doing multi-GHz boards. > > > > Regards, > > Andy > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from si-list: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > > > For help: > > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > > > List FAQ wiki page is located at: > > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > > > > List technical documents are available at: > > http://www.si-list.org > > > > List archives are viewable at: > > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > > or at our remote archives: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List FAQ wiki page is located at: > http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu