Alright newbies, the electron-as-marbles theory of 90-degree bends really does not fly. (Pun intended.) What is propagating down a trace is an electromagnetic wavefront, not physical electrons. Please go back to your Electromagnetic and Physics textbooks. As for 90 degree bends, the impact that these have on signals is limited by the width of the trace and the Er of the material used.. Microwave boards often have very wide traces on very thick substrates. Excess capacitance (or excess inductance, depending on the frequency being analyzed) is proportional to the length of the corner discontinuity. A 100 mil trace, as might be used in a microwave design, will have a discontinuity length of 1.414 X 100 mil or 141 mils. On a ceramic substrate with an Er of 10, this leads to an electrical length of about 33 ps, which is a big delay error and a big impedance bump which causes high insertion loss at some high frequencies. However, for digital boards where traces tend to be relatively narrow, the length of these corners is small, say 14 mils, for a 10 mil trace width, limiting the discontinuity and delay error to 2 ps or less. A 5 mil trace would have a potential delay error of about 1 ps/corner. Now a 1 or 2 ps delay error might be considered a problem by some, but there are some mitigating factors: 1) All modern-day PCB CAD tools mitre corners, eliminating 90 degree bends, and reducing the overall corner error by a significant amount. Let's just say there is about a 4:1 reduction in the delay introduced for starters. Thus, for a 5 mil trace this would limit the delay error to 250 fs, which I defy most of you to measure accurately. (Please do not confuse this with any additional skew introduced by serpentined trace coupling, which can also introduce additional delta skew.) 2) Most digital boards are fabricated with FR-4 or other fiberglass-epoxy laminate materials. These materials have significant global and local Er variations, due to trace orientation over the underlying weave, which can account for a 2 to 4 ps/in delay variaiton between any two traces on an FR-4 PCB. As a result, any delay due to corner bends tends to be insignificant when compared to other sources of trace delay error. As a result, corners are just not that interesting any more. best regards, scott > > > -- Scott McMorrow Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC 121 North River Drive Narragansett, RI 02882 (401) 284-1827 Business (401) 284-1840 Fax (503) 750-6481 Cellular http://www.teraspeed.com Teraspeed is the registered service mark of Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu