Ray, I come across quite a broad range of such Touchstone format files from a number of vendors. I come across both forms in about equal measure. What's most infuriating is that very few suppliers take the time to provide comment text in the file header to inform the user which port is which. I know you're asking for comments on 4-port systems, but I've also come across a dual diff-pair 8-port example from one vendor (which had excellent comment text) that followed your example b) form; i.e. ports 1-4 down the left side for the socket-end and ports 5-8 down the right side for the plug-end. Due to the lack of specification or rigorous convention, let's at least have some header text, please!! Regards, Tony -----Original Message----- From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray Anderson Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:49 PM To: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Ray Anderson Subject: [SI-LIST] 4-port node numbering I have general question regarding 4-port s-parameter files. Does anyone know if there is a generally accepted industry standard for node numbering? =20 I have seen both of these schemes used in various places: =20 a) =20 +-----+ 1---| |-----2 | | =20 3---| |-----4 +-----+ =20 =20 =20 b) =20 +-----+ 1---| |-----3 | | =20 2---| |-----4 +-----+ =20 It has been my observation that scheme a) is the most common and intuitive (when I think S12 I think transmission and when I think S13 I think crosstalk) however scheme b) has popped up often enough to be a possible contender. =20 Comments??? =20 =20 -Ray =20 =20 Raymond Anderson Senior Signal Integrity Staff Engineer Product Technology Department Advanced Package R&D Xilinx Inc. =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: =20 //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List FAQ wiki page is located at: http://si-list.org/wiki/wiki.pl?Si-List_FAQ List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu