[sac-forum] Re: Rules of the road
- From: Andrew Goodwin <a.goodwin1@xxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:09:17 -0700
I don't think that is the case. As it reads:
C. VEHICLE - A self propelled device and its appurtances, excluding
devices moved by human power or used exclusively on stationary rails or
tracks.
And our contact at the BLM is very cool with us. The perks are that
we don't build camp fires and our sites are left spotless. We should
take note to the rules that dictate the use of a latrine for the
disposal of human waste. We want to keep in good standing with the
powers that be.
Andrew
Richard Harshaw wrote:
You are probably right, Andrew, but the ordinance made reference to ANY
vehicle, motorized or human powered, so that is why I asked for a
clarification from the county office.
Richard Harshaw
Cave Creek, AZ
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I really don't think we have to worry about this. It seems to apply to
off road travel and a "road" is defined as any paved (be it dirt or sand
concrete or blacktop...) through way. The idea is to restrict ATV or any
self propelled vehicle from damaging the terrain. And to reduce the
emissions of such vehicles as part of the air quality laws. We only use such
roads to gain access to observing sites in a simple in and out act (ingress
and egress) If necessary we can get the written permission from the BLM for
our use of the roads we use. Many think that Hovatter is not a road but it
is and the west side has parcels with addresses assigned. (see attached) The
only area we are to be included with this ordinance is when we turn off the
road to drive to our site. We do so on rubber tires and at a speed as to
keep the dust to a minimum. Also take note that this property is owned by
the BLM and is is located in La Paz county.
Two other sites are Cherry Rd and Five Mile Meadow and both are on
National Forest land. The Cherry site is designated as "Public use" on the
map that I gave to Rick. The 5MM is in a meadow that we have a verbal
agreement with the ranger as to it's use.
Both Sentinel and Saddle Mtn as well as Vekol are off official roads as
recorded by the Maricopa county GIS map. The all Arizona Messier Marathon is
on public dirt roads and then a private dirt road that we have permission to
use. (Farnsworth Ranch)
That is my 2cents worth.
I know that Rick would have had a more exotic form of currency.
Andrew
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You are probably right, Andrew, but the ordinance made reference to ANY vehicle, motorized or human powered, so that is why I asked for a clarification from the county office. Richard Harshaw Cave Creek, AZ -----Original Message----- From: sac-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sac-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Goodwin Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:27 PM To: SAC Forum Subject: [sac-forum] Rules of the road I really don't think we have to worry about this. It seems to apply to off road travel and a "road" is defined as any paved (be it dirt or sand concrete or blacktop...) through way. The idea is to restrict ATV or any self propelled vehicle from damaging the terrain. And to reduce the emissions of such vehicles as part of the air quality laws. We only use such roads to gain access to observing sites in a simple in and out act (ingress and egress) If necessary we can get the written permission from the BLM for our use of the roads we use. Many think that Hovatter is not a road but it is and the west side has parcels with addresses assigned. (see attached) The only area we are to be included with this ordinance is when we turn off the road to drive to our site. We do so on rubber tires and at a speed as to keep the dust to a minimum. Also take note that this property is owned by the BLM and is is located in La Paz county. Two other sites are Cherry Rd and Five Mile Meadow and both are on National Forest land. The Cherry site is designated as "Public use" on the map that I gave to Rick. The 5MM is in a meadow that we have a verbal agreement with the ranger as to it's use. Both Sentinel and Saddle Mtn as well as Vekol are off official roads as recorded by the Maricopa county GIS map. The all Arizona Messier Marathon is on public dirt roads and then a private dirt road that we have permission to use. (Farnsworth Ranch) That is my 2cents worth. I know that Rick would have had a more exotic form of currency. Andrew
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