The clouds are my fault. My new "public star party scope" arrived yesterday. For the outlet price of $49.95 including shipping, the 4.5" f8 Meade 114NT optical tube was too good a deal to pass on. I dug out a plate to mount it to my GEM so I could track the moon tonight for impact and first light...sorry! In case anyone is interested, here is the linky http://www.meade4m.com/4mshop/ outlet.html. It come complete with a 1.5/2" plastic focuser, 2 MA eyepieces, finderscope and 2 scope rings. Rest easy, nothing else is on order Geoff ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!