[sac-forum] Re: Medical Facilities

Such great thoughts and comments.  I had no idea it would turn out this good.

For me my thoughts are along much the same lines and have thought about what to 
tell a 911 operator.  Don't think telling them we're at the Antenna site - 
obvious here.  How about on Hovatter Rd south of I-10 - still not accurate 
enough.  Perhaps turn by turn directions?  This is why I take directions to all 
of our sites, including EVACs because I'm a member also.  Hopefully a the 
operator will be able to transcribe.

Of course it is good that there are GPS coordinates, but the roads aren't as 
straight as in Phoenix.  So, how well are the remote medical vehicles equiped 
for finding such a site?

AJ Crayon
Phoenix, AZ

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jimmy Ray 
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  Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:19 AM
  Subject: [sac-forum] Re: Medical Facilities


  I agree it is the responsibility of the individual. If one is seriously 
medically challenged then they should question their being out in remote 
locations anyway, but the allure of the heavens and the outdoors is great so we 
venture out regardless. My thought on the issue of "personal" responsibility 
was; say you have a heart attack and collapse, maybe it is your first one, so 
being "personally responsible you're going to do "CPR" on yourself? Of course 
not, you're going to hope someone around you does something! Further, "CPR" it 
not intended for extended periods and is physically very tiring.  It is to 
sustain for a short period until advanced life support is available. At home we 
would call the fire department, who would stabilize and transport. In remote 
areas other services, including the DPS can supply that advanced support or get 
the individual to a facility in minutes versus an hour or more. While it may 
never be needed I felt it might be good to know what we as "individuals" might 
do as a "team" without regard to any  "Club". So knowing in advance I could run 
to the gravel pit (cell phone coverage), call dept. "X", drop a chopper in the 
meadow and wisk the hapless individual off to a medical facility seemed to be a 
good thing to know (still does so I'll make sure I know for my own "personal" 
peace of mind). 

   

  Jimmy Ray

   

  From: sac-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sac-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of Peter Argenziano
  Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 7:20 AM
  To: sac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [sac-forum] Re: Medical Facilities

   

  Yes, the Red Cross offers CPR classes throughout the year and across the 
valley. They offer CPR with and without first aid, and CPR classes for dealing 
with adults and/or children and/or infants (slightly different techniques) or 
even pets. The CPR certification is only valid for one year, while first aid 
certification (standard and wilderness) is valid for 3; I have all three. The 
prices range from $29 to $42.
  While it is nice that there are folks who have this in the club, I like what 
Gene alluded to - this really isn't a requirement of the club, this is where 
people need to take responsibility for themselves.

  Here is the link to ARC - Grand Canyon Chapter: 
http://www.arizonaredcross.org/  Full details are there.

  EVAC has maps to their observing sites (Vekol Road and Boyce Thompson) with 
emergency. Below are links to them, if you care to have a look.
  http://www.eastvalleyastronomy.org/downloads/BTA_emergency.pdf
  http://www.eastvalleyastronomy.org/downloads/Vekol_emergency.pdf

  Peter

  Richard Harshaw wrote: 

  The Red Cross offers CPR certification and update training.  I received mine 
two years ago and it cost $10 (mainly for the workbook that came with it).

   

  I also have a small first aid kit in the back of my car.  I did not mention 
this to anyone, so when Steve hurt his finger, a kit was nearby but no one knew 
it and I slept through the whole thing.  Next morning I told the guys that I 
had a kit in the car and that if anyone ever needed, to get it, whether I was 
awake or not.  It is not an elaborate kit, but it does include bandages, 
ointments, and the like.  

   

   

  Richard Harshaw

  Cave Creek, AZ

   

  From: sac-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sac-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
On Behalf Of gene lucas
  Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 2:15 AM
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  Subject: [sac-forum] Re: Medical Facilities

   

  Along this same theme.... This Xmas I "inherited" the >very< olde SAC "First 
Aid Kit" from the stored junque that Jack Jones gave up... It was an old ammo 
can full of outdated, tired stuff that evidently Peter Manly had put together.  
(Some items dated from the 1980s!!)  It had obviously long since given up any 
usefulness, so it was all discarded.  

  May I politely suggest we add some suggestions to the "Star Party Etiquette" 
FAQ on the responsibilities >of each individual< going out into "The Boonies" 
as to what suggested stuff  (A >current< First Aid Kit, blankets, etc. etc.) to 
take along in the event of "an emergency" occurring.  (This could include 
supplies in the event of getting stuck on the road...)
    
  Additionally, may I say that I don't think SAC has any legal responsibilties 
along those lines, but it is obviously prudent and helpful and useful to pass 
along such information, as any responsible outdoor activity group would do.  
Might "save a life", too.

  As to CPR instruction, etc. it would be good to suggest possible places or 
resources where >individual SAC members< could receive training if they desired 
it....  Some of us may have had such First Aid training in the distant past 
(military service, safety training at work), but it would be good to know where 
to get an "annual tune up" or refresher training if desired....

  Gene Lucas
  (17250)

  [earlier discussion items snipped -- GL]

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