You are not holding the club harmless for injuries IT caused you. The = club as an entity would be incapable of harming you. If a club member or = anyone else cause you physical harm, then that would most likely be a = criminal offense and something else entirely. You a re holding the club = harmless from injuries you may cause to yourself through carelessness = (tripping over a creosote bush and the like). Rick -----Original Message----- From: sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sac-board-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jeff Hopkins Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:12 PM To: sac-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sac-board] Re: Waivers: Summary of Dissent Why should I sign a form stating I hold you harmless for any injury=20 you may cause me? As Bob pointed out, that gives you a blank check to do what you want.=20 That IS NOT RIGHT! I guarantee you if someone is indeed negligent and someone is injured=20 a waiver will not protect you and could be cause for swaying a=20 judgement and even increasing an award. Interesting link. Should the waiver list as potential dangers,=20 getting hit by a meteorite? :-) Jeff At 12:54 -0700 8/26/05, Paul Dickson wrote: >There seems to three schools of thought among those dissenting: > > 1) Signing a waiver signs you into slavery to the parties being > protected. > > 2) Waivers don't work. > >Both are opposite extremes of each other. I suggest reading: > http://www.eqgroup.com/Library/eqlegal18.htm > >How many of the dissenters have read the drafted version of the = liability >release for the Messier Marathon? > > 3) Waivers makes law suites more likely. > >For this I suspect insurance is the cause of far more law suites than >waivers. Waivers are used where injuries and losses are likely to >happen. So if anything does happened and it's possibly not covered by >the waiver, and there's money to be gathered, then a law suite is = likely. > > -Paul --=20 Jeff Hopkins HPO SOFT Hopkins Phoenix Observatory http://www.hposoft.com/Astro/astro.html Hopkins Phoenix Observatory 7812 West Clayton Drive Phoenix, Arizona 85033-2439 U.S.A. www.hposoft.com