[sac-board] Re: Star parties & waivers

<soap box>Mr. Erdmann, up until now I thought you a pretty reasonable 
person.  Come on now - me taking a dull knife.  This kind of wording is 
just ludicrous.  It is OK to be against the waiver and to give 
reasonable reasons for such a position and to vote against when the time 
comes.
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Clear skies,
aj

Bob Erdmann wrote:

>Hi, Peter,
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>I agree that "we live in a litigious society.", and not wanting to be a 
>part of that "litigious society", I tend to stay away from those events 
>that require that I declare that I won't litigate "no matter what 
>happens", which makes no sense to me. 
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>After all, A.J. Crayon could decide that he wants to take a dull knife 
>and carve me up at the next Messier Marathon, should I attend, for 
>whatever his reasons.  If his actions are covered by the "hold harmless" 
>waiver, then I have no protection, and I certainly won't sign the 
>waiver, and won't attend.  If on the other hand, if his actions are 
>excluded from the waiver, then what good is the waiver?  Again, the 
>logic is the logic.  Why have a waiver, and why should I sign it?
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>It's gotten to the point that I'll go off on my own, and not worry about 
>a club, or their events, not because I want to, but because it's a whole 
>lot simpler to do just that.  That way I don't have to worry about legal 
>waivers, legalese mumbo-jumbo, but to just go out and enjoy the night 
>sky.  Waivers are a roadblock to participating.  I'll always choose to 
>go off on my own than participate in an event where a waiver is 
>required.  It's just one more hurdle to attending a sanctioned / 
>sponsored event.
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>I truly understand your point of view, and that's your choice.  I just 
>don't want to preclude any unanticipated events occuring that could 
>result in causing me, or my family, harm in one form or another.  I 
>won't sign waivers, and I won't attend those events requiring them.  We 
>each get the opportunity to make that choice (and I love choices), but I 
>decline to sign a waiver, or attend.  That's SAC's choice to require 
>them, not mine.
>
>/Bob
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>The NGC/IC Project - http://www.ngcic.org
>Prescott, Arizona - e-mail: bobe@xxxxxxxxx
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