[sac-board] Re: SAC Constitution and Proposed Amendment 2.0

> Steve makes some good points. Any hard rules need an effective means
> of enforcement.

The Club has the authority to enforce its constitution and bylaws and spells
out remedies.

>
> While one might reasonable require people to "sign up" for the
> Marathon and have the Waiver on the sheet, what about people who come
> to observe, but not partake in the Marathon. If they do not wish to
> sign, what can you do?

Using a parallel, bicycle clubs, at their events, specatators are not required
to sign anything, just participants.

>
> One of the wonderful things about astronomical events is the
> friendliness of them.

Again with my parallel, bicycle events and Clubs are perceived as the
friendliest there is, yet have stringent requirements and restrictions, way
more that we'll ever have.

>
> While I do not consider myself paranoid nor do I worry about
> litigation, I do not like being required to sign my name to something
> I do not feel is required.

Sign of the times, it may be required in the future, or we will cease to
operate.

> Steve may feel I'm a jerk for not signing a document, but I think
> there may be others that feel the same as I do. I enjoy some of the
> club meetings and events, however, astronomy can be done easily by
> oneself or outside of any club.

Again, I can ride my bike anytime too, but "it ain't the same thing". I really
like (actually need) to participate in Bicycle Club-sponsored events.

>
> When it comes right down to the wire I feel a Waiver is not needed
> and may have opposite or even worse effects than no Waiver. Please
> consider my vote (if I have one) a thumbs down on the issue.

Waivers haven't seemed (to me) to dampen enthusiasm or stopped anyone from
joining Bicycle (or Rocketry etc) Clubs and annual events.

>
> I think more thought should be given to the positives for the club
> such as what could be done to attract more members, more people at
> events and indeed how events could be made even safer than they are
> already. The population of the Phoenix area is quickly approaching 2
> million people. The number of SAC members and even most of the public
> events seem way under represented.

Absolutely. Here here!!!
>
> Raising dues, charging event fees, requiring waivers are all
> negatives and I feel strongly that they will lessen the club, not
> strengthen it.
>
> Jeff
>

Jack

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