[sac-board] Re: Herschel II Proposal

AJ Crayon wrote:
> After having waited some time for feed back on this request, and getting 
> none, I am making a proposal for this award.  My hope is for us to have a 
> discussion and, eventually, a vote.  Does this sound reasonable?
>  
> This proposal is to include a Herschel II award for SAC members and consists 
> of the same objects as that provided by The Rose City Astronomy Club and 
> supported by the Astronomical League.
> Reason for this request is because SAC has a member that has completed the 
> HII program and I'd like for us to be able to supply an award.  Furthermore I 
> understand there are two or three others that will being this program when 
> they complete their current programs.
>
> Another reason for this proposal is because this award is only for AL 
> members, of which SAC is not a member so we are not eligible.  Furthermore 
> I'm not proposing we become a member, what I am proposing is for SAC to 
> support, on our own, this program.
>
> It is expected the program would be placed between the Herschel 400 and 1000 
> New Objects and the award be analogous with its placement.  For a description 
> of the SAC observing programs see our web site at 
> http://www.saguaroastro.org/content/observing-programs-outline.htm
>
> The Herschel 400 award includes the standard SAC telescope plate and, from 
> the AL, a pin, numbered certificate and entry into the list of observers 
> completing this program.  See the web site at 
> http://www.astroleague.org/al/obsclubs/herschel/hers400.html for additional 
> information.  Remember this is the only AL award that can be presented to a 
> non-AL member, or a non-AL club.
>
> The 1000 New Objects is a SAC program that leaves it to the observer to find 
> 1000 new objects not in prior observing programs.  The award includes the 
> standard SAC telescope plate, an astronomy book of choice, 8"X10" plaque and 
> certificate.  The cost of which is not to exceed $100.00.  Only two observers 
> have this coveted award; Steve Coe in 1993 and Joe Goss in 2005.
>
> To include the HII program the 1000 New Objects program description will have 
> to be modified to eliminate HII entries.  This should still provide a 
> challenge for advanced observers.  We must be careful here.  When changing 
> rules because of folks that are already working this list.  Hence any changes 
> made will not be retroactive meaning the old list and its rules apply for 
> anyone working the program when the changes are made.
>
> Note that the 1000 New Objects doesn't exclude 110 Beyond the NGC.  So the 
> 1000 New Objects description would have to be modified to not include any of 
> these objects.
>
> There has been a lot discussed here and if there is some confusion because of 
> my wording, let us know and I'll do my best to help clarify.
>
> AJ Crayon
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>
>
>   
Hi AJ,  I like the overall idea of a SAC Herschel II award.  What are 
the drawbacks to being a member of the AL?  Is it dollars or politics or 
what?
    My sacred cow that I don't want to be gored is the 1000+ award.  I 
have been working on this for a number of years and I don't want objects 
that counted to become ineligible because new awards are being created.  
There has always been some overlap of awards anyway.  Having already 
done the Messier and SAC 110 lists I already had maybe 100 of the H400 
list done.  I think your email already says all of this, so then I am 
agreeing with you.  Hopefully my point is clear.
Thanks Rich

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