Jerry: This rarely works in practice. Most private sellers I dealt with had no clue what price to ask. They really needed me for guidance what their camera was worth. I than try to built an argument, sometimes I even bring a blue book or show that the camera really needs costly servicing. I also recommend sellers to take their stuff to a camera store and see what they would get in trade-in (peanuts usually). You don't get "garage sale bargains" that way, but you also don't feel like you cheated people out of their precious heirloom camera. ("my father used this all the time when I was growing up" - quote from the most recent exchange). You are probably right on the reason F's are so rare. Jan ==== Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote Jan, When dealing with a private seller, I always believe that the seller should establish the first asking price. I NEVER make the first offer. The seller should know what he is offering . If his price is too high, I will politely say "no thank you" and decline it. If it is in my buying range, I will accept the offer. I hate haggling. On the E in question, everything can be made right, but at what cost? Why the paucity of good used 2.8F Rolleis? They are too good to part with. Jerry --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list