[rollei_list] Re: mirrors

  • From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:10:40 -0700


----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Kovacs" <mskovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:39 AM
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: mirrors



Yes, and of course the prewar mirrors are shellac coated silver, not aluminum. Quite often the shellac turns yellow and slightly hazy on these old mirrors, so even if there isn't any obvious black spots or missing silver, the mirrors have terrible transmittance.

I have not found a way to clean these silver mirrors. The shellac is the culprit but any sort of solvent will remove the coating and the silver.

Richard is correct about the bloom on the viewing lens. That viewing lens was among the haziest lenses I have ever successfully cleaned. It literally took quite a scrubbing with kim wipe tissues using 1:1 household ammonia : household hydrogen peroxide. However, the "coating" remains even after this treatment. I am certain it would not have been possible to clean if it were a coated lens with Zeiss T coatings of that era.

The only real defect on the camera that detracts from it is the loss of plating on the front nameplate which shows as brass-coloured spots. Its not a collector's piece but really razor sharp with a nice uncoated look.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/mskovacs/pv/Rolleiflex/PrewarAutomat2.jpg

Here's some photos I took with the Automat II, including a self-portrait I took with it, holding my venerable SL66 behemoth. Enjoy!

http://www3.sympatico.ca/mskovacs/pv/Rolleiflex/0306-2_Bridgedetail.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/mskovacs/pv/Rolleiflex/0306-4_Ally.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/mskovacs/pv/Rolleiflex/0306-6_Emily.jpg
http://www3.sympatico.ca/mskovacs/pv/Rolleiflex/0306-5_SPSL66.jpg

The tarnish does not affect the lens performance. If its progressed far enough it acts like a lens coating and improves the lens. However, tarnish usually appears only on unprotected front elements. Some optical glass is more vulnerable to oxidation. Modern glass catalogues carry a "stain" rating indicating the sensitivity of the glass to oxidation.
Usually, pure Isopropyl alcohol will take off internal haze. The old standby lens cleaner for optical assembly is reagent grade Acetone, but Acetone can dissolve paint and lens older type Canada Balsam lens cememt, so it must be used with descretion. I don't know what causes the haze but its very common. My guess is that it is something evaporating from the internal anti-reflection paint in the lens cells. I have found some Rollei finder lenses, c.1950's have what appears to be dropletes of oil on their internal surfaces. I have no idea what this is but it comes off with alcohol.
Older mirrors appear to be front surface silvered mirrors. The silver surface must be protected by a lacquer or else the silver surface will tarnish very rapidly. I don't know if Rollei ever used aluminized mirrors. Aluminum coatings are very resistant to oxidation. They do not have quite as high reflectance as Silver to visible light but maintain their reflectance for very long periods. Actually a sort of reverse lens coating is used on aluminized mirrors to increase the reflectance, which can then exceed silver.
It is possible to remove the lacquer with either alcohol or sometimes a soluton of Sodium carbonate, depending on the type of lacquer. In any case amateur telescope makers have mirrors vacuum coated with Aluminum so services are available to do this at reasonable prices. Probably the Rollei mirror could just go in with a telescope mirror. Look for an amateur astronomy club locally to find some telescope builders.
The main cause of dimness in Rollei finders, assuming the lens and mirror are in good condition, is the ground glass. Rollei uses quite fine grain GG which has good diffusion, however, much of the light from the lens continues through the GG surface in the same direction it left the lens so there is a hot spot in the center and dim corners. The hot spot will move if you look at the GG from an angle. The solution is to use a field lens to focus the light to about were the eye will be. The usual field lens is a Fresnel type consisting of concentric prisms molded into a flat surface. The Rolleigrid is such a Fresnel field lens and works very well. It just drops onto the ground glass. The Rolleigrid was intended for post war Rolleis which have little spring catches in the finder to hold it and also to hold the mask for the Rolleikin. Most of the fancy replacement screens are just Fresnel field lenses combined with the ground glass, often on opposite sides of the same glass. There is only a certain amount of light available from the lens so one screen is not really brighter than another, the appearance of increased brightness is due to the uniform distribution, that is, the center is about the same but the periphery of the ground glass _is_ brighter because the light transmitted by it is being directed toward the eye.


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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx


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