The $400 film & processing expense was for the very last batch of film he shot. The $20k for F&P in the previous year? Yes, he did shoot a lot...slides and negative. He wore one of his Contax cameras out.....Contax Service said it was one of the heaviest used cameras they had seen in a long while. He traded his Contax systems to either or both KEH & Camera West (Monterey) for a lightly used D200. He has since upgraded to a D3 and a couple of R8's...all used. He has a Mac laptop loaded with Photoshop given to him by a friend...does not own a printer. He edits his shots, burns a disc and submits the disc to his client. An example of how "frugal" he is.... He buys clothes at the Gap, wears them for a week usually w/o changing...moves on to the next location and "exchanges" them at the next Gap.. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx" <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Hi Jon, > > I'm curious what's included in that $400 "film and processing" costs for > digital (and the $20k for film for that matter). It can't contain much > digital media, or storage, or computer to store them on or much of > anything. The cost of digital "film and processing" is largely masked by > claming you need those other things...but you *really* wouldn't need > terabytes of storage unless it were for the digital images. > > Film is say $3/roll, and processing is $7/roll, including prints. If you > get rid of the print costs (which would be fair if you wanted to compare > apples to apples), it is $2/roll, so a total of $5/roll. At $20,000/year > divided by $5/roll that is 4000 rolls. Shooting 200 days of the year, > that's 20 rolls/day or 720 frames/day. For a total of 144,000 images/year. > Not impossible...but that's a lot of work. > > 144,000 images shot digitally (say with a 16M sensor) saying that the > images compressed are ~7M bytes each, that is near 1T byte of data. It can > be less though, depending on how much loss you want. If you want to save > 16 bit raw, each image is 16M x 2 bytes/color x 3 colors or 96M > bytes/image. About 14T bytes of storage. To store 14T of images, you'd > need 28 500G drives at $150 each or $4200. You'd need a controller/SAN > (add another couple of thousand $$) and you still don't have any back-up, > but RAID would be a good idea. Then, you've got all the time you'd need to > spend dealing with all these files...and drives... > > So, for raw-ish costs, OK, I buy that digital can appear to be cheaper, but > I don't believe that is an apples for apples comparison...if you factor in > the time needed to administrate the digital images/storage equipment, I > think it's closer to a wash. > > Regards, > > Austin > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: jon.stanton@xxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:16:17 +0000 > To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [rollei_list] Re: age old digital vs film debate...again...was RE: > OT Ancient Computers > > > I have a friend/tax client whose tax returns I have prepared for years that > "converted" from film to digital. His film and processing costs dropped > from just over $20k to $400...he wondered why he owed taxes! (He refuses > to pay quarterly estimates) This is a guy that swore with his right hand on > the NYT (Holy Scripture in his mind) that he would NEVER -EVER go > digital...Then his clients required it... > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Hi Austin, > > For the Motor racing Pros I know who send loads of files back to their > > magazines it is much cheaper, but more work. One told me he could save > > the cost of 5 new cameras per year in film costs alone. OTOH it is > > more work for them. In the old days at the end of practice they were > > the first to the beach, film stashed in a bag. 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