[rollei_list] Re: age old "digital vs film" debate...again...was RE: OT Ancient Computers
- From: Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:00:56 +1100
The other problem with Digital data is storage.
Computer storage technology keeps evolving, standards/formats keep changing.
CDs and DVDs don't last forever especially the recordable kind (Dyes fade,
storage devices fail/become obsolete). HDD spindles wear out and fail over
time. Even digital data is prone to corruption. Multiple copies should be made
and stored on separate sets of media to ensure that you have redundancy.
One has to keep transferring the data to newer storage mediums and if you have
a lot of data this may or may not be a PITA. While one needs to store film
well, once you have done so, you don't have to do the above every 5 yrs or so.
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:47:51 -0800From: genej2ster@xxxxxxxxxxx:
rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: [rollei_list] Re: age old "digital vs film"
debate...again...was RE: OT Ancient ComputersOn reflection, there ARE a lot of
ways in which digital cameras have become superior to film cameras.
Convenience and operating cost are 2. No way I could provide my local ballet
company with 1000 exposures of a performance on film. Neither they nor I could
afford it. And the resolution and total visual information on a good 10-plus
Mpixel camera can be very high. I did a 40 inch tall poster that looked really
nice. I am probably going to buy a 5D Mk2 here pretty soon because it is such a
powerful tool for these kinds of things. I will not be giving up my film
cameras though; and it is not just because I am so sentimental about the
medium. I really do find the response curve of digital sensors to be
significantly inferior to film as of my Rebel Xsi or my buddy's 5D. Not even
close really. The transition to shadow or highlight is so much smoother and
more beautiful on film to my eye. Everyone who looks at the prints notices it.
The 5d MK2 is supposed to be better. I will reserve judgement. In any case, I
have no doubt, the gap will continue to narrow, and one day I WILL be using
film because I just love working with it and my old cameras, enlargers, etc.
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On the contrary, Frank, I believe both statements to be true. In all my recent
experience digital -is- in all practical ways superior to film. OTOH it is a
matter of personal choice so if somebody wants to use film that is fine by me
:-)
On 13 Jan, 2009, at 16:46, Eric Goldstein wrote:
Frank, glad to read this much more reasonable and modest statementabout
digital's capabilities, and your own personal abilities andtastes, in contrast
to this earlier statement:
In all practical ways digital has exceeded the capability of film for some
time. Certainly if there is aneffect which one wishes to achieve, using a
vintage LF lens for example, film may have to be thechoice but that does not
make film better, just an appropriate choice in some circumstances.Eric
Goldstein--On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Frank
Dernie<Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I quite agree, a matter of personal choice. I get p*ssed off when people sayit
meeds 67, or choose any other number, megapixels for digital to matchfilm which
is patently ridiculous. Which film? what other parameter thanresolution?I get
better dynamic range, a smoother look and plenty of resolution fromdigital. My
prints look more 3 dimensional and real - particularly skintones. I still like
the look of B&W film for portraits, actually, but notfor anything else.Some
photographers prefer film so for them it is better, obviously.best
regards,FrankOn 13 Jan, 2009, at 13:56, austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
But that doesn't mitigate that the other works "better" for others, and
noamount of discussion is going to change that. Even if it is as simple
assomeone likes to use a particular camera, that's good enough IMO.---Rollei
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