No, I just do not use DVDs any longer. Just a large HD and a back up second drive. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Douglas Nygren <dnygr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I'm sure you do this every day. > > > On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Peter K. wrote: > > You would transfer the images to a newer media. Simple. Few retain imags >> in DVD these days anyway. >> >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> >>> The other problem with Digital data is storage. >>> Computer storage technology keeps evolving, standards/formats keep >>> changing. CDs and DVDs don't last forever especially the recordable kind >>> (Dyes fade, storage devices fail/become obsolete). HDD spindles wear out and >>> fail over time. Even digital data is prone to corruption. Multiple copies >>> should be made and stored on separate sets of media to ensure that you have >>> redundancy. >>> >>> One has to keep transferring the data to newer storage mediums and if >>> you have a lot of data this may or may not be a PITA. While one needs to >>> store film well, once you have done so, you don't have to do the above every >>> 5 yrs or so. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:47:51 -0800 >>> From: genej2ster@xxxxxxxxx >>> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: age old "digital vs film" >>> debate...again...was RE: OT Ancient Computers >>> >>> >>> On reflection, there ARE a lot of ways in which digital cameras have >>> become superior to film cameras. Convenience and operating cost are 2. No >>> way I could provide my local ballet company with 1000 exposures of a >>> performance on film. Neither they nor I could afford it. And the >>> resolution and total visual information on a good 10-plus Mpixel camera can >>> be very high. I did a 40 inch tall poster that looked really nice. I am >>> probably going to buy a 5D Mk2 here pretty soon because it is such a >>> powerful tool for these kinds of things. I will not be giving up my film >>> cameras though; and it is not just because I am so sentimental about the >>> medium. I really do find the response curve of digital sensors to be >>> significantly inferior to film as of my Rebel Xsi or my buddy's 5D. Not >>> even close really. The transition to shadow or highlight is so much >>> smoother and more beautiful on film to my eye. Everyone who looks at the >>> prints notices it. The 5d MK2 is supposed to be better. I will >>> reserve judgement. In any case, I have no doubt, the gap will continue to >>> narrow, and one day I WILL be using film because I just love working with it >>> and my old cameras, enlargers, etc. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Frank Dernie < >>> Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>>> On the contrary, Frank, I believe both statements to be true. In all my >>>> recent experience digital -is- in all practical ways superior to film. OTOH >>>> it is a matter of personal choice so if somebody wants to use film that is >>>> fine by me :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 13 Jan, 2009, at 16:46, Eric Goldstein wrote: >>>> >>>> Frank, glad to read this much more reasonable and modest statement >>>>> about digital's capabilities, and your own personal abilities and >>>>> tastes, in contrast to this earlier statement: >>>>> >>>>> In all practical ways digital has exceeded the capability of film for >>>>>> some time. Certainly if there is an >>>>>> effect which one wishes to achieve, using a vintage LF lens for >>>>>> example, film may have to be the >>>>>> choice but that does not make film better, just an appropriate choice >>>>>> in some circumstances. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Eric Goldstein >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Frank Dernie >>>>> <Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I quite agree, a matter of personal choice. I get p*ssed off when >>>>>> people say >>>>>> it meeds 67, or choose any other number, megapixels for digital to >>>>>> match >>>>>> film which is patently ridiculous. Which film? what other parameter >>>>>> than >>>>>> resolution? >>>>>> I get better dynamic range, a smoother look and plenty of resolution >>>>>> from >>>>>> digital. My prints look more 3 dimensional and real - particularly >>>>>> skin >>>>>> tones. I still like the look of B&W film for portraits, actually, but >>>>>> not >>>>>> for anything else. >>>>>> Some photographers prefer film so for them it is better, obviously. >>>>>> best regards, >>>>>> Frank >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13 Jan, 2009, at 13:56, austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> But that doesn't mitigate that the other works "better" for others, >>>>>>> and no >>>>>>> amount of discussion is going to change that. Even if it is as >>>>>>> simple as >>>>>>> someone likes to use a particular camera, that's good enough IMO. >>>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>> Rollei List >>>>> >>>>> - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> >>>>> - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' >>>>> in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >>>>> >>>>> - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with >>>>> 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into >>>>> www.freelists.org >>>>> >>>>> - Online, searchable archives are available at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> --- >>>> Rollei List >>>> >>>> - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> >>>> - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe'in the >>>> subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >>>> >>>> - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with'unsubscribe' in >>>> the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org >>>> >>>> - Online, searchable archives are available at >>>> //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Be Just and Fear Not >>> >>> Download free emoticons today! 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