----- Original Message ----- From: "J Patric Dahlén" <jenspatricdahlen@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Xenon is a Xenar! > >From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> The late version of this lens is shown in the 1955 >> edition >>of the Kodak lens booklet from the _Kodak Reference >>Handbook_. This is from the Retina IIIc so it may or may >>not >>be the later version Patric has. > > It's not. The pre-war 2,8/50 Xenon I have, has three > air-spaced elements in > front of the stop, and a cemented pair behind the stop. > > I looks just like the one on the picture to the left here: > http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00BeZf > > /Patric > The Xenar appears to employ a standard trick of splitting elements to improve correction. It is a Tessar where the front positive element has been split into two less powerful elements probably in an attempt to improve the performance at f/2.8. The Xenon shown is interesting. The back cell is the back of a Biotar, the front is superficially simiar to the Xenar but really isn't. If you look at the shapes of the elements you will find them different. It appears that in the Xenon the second component of the Biotar has been split and air spaced. Its hard to guess the purpose. Warren Smith, in _Modern Lens Design_, shows a lens classified as a Biotar with no cemented surfaces (p.320) and a lens with three air spaced elements in front of the stop and a cemented pair and air spaced single element behind the stop. This is a near UV lens but its layout is similar (p.321). Since the f/2.8 lens is obviously derived from the Tessar the Xenar name is appropriate, since the f/2 lens appears to be derived from the Biotar the Xenon name is appropriate. Neither lens is similar to the Wynne lens. --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx