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[rollei_list] Re: Rodinal & Neopan results
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[rollei_list] Re: Rodinal & Neopan results
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From: Jan Decher <Jan.Decher@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rodinal & Neopan results
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:45:10 -0400
Thanks everyone for the positive comments.
Robert, I hate to expose Neopan 400 at 250 because I rather like the
extra stop to work with my handheld 3.5E. So, I think I just want to
find a softer working developer at 400. Miight go back to D76 for
Neopan 400 or give it one more try in Rodinal and "overdevelop" a
little bit as Carlos suggested.
Rob, I agree that the tones in Enjoying Fall came out just right.
Those negatives also were very "cooperative" in the darkroom.
Carlos, are Fuji Acros and Neopan the same thing?
I do have some rolls of Agfapan 25 left for more static subject and
wonder how I can get a good tonal gradient with that film. It also
got too contrasty on me in the past . In general I had better luck
with higher speed film than with lower speed. Used to get excellent
results with Ilford HP5 in Tetenal's Emofin 2-step developer.
My Jobo 1000 development tank is starting to desintegrate after
almost 35 years of service. Maybe I will finally switch to steel
tanks and spools...
Jan
From: Richard Sintchak <rich815@xxxxxxxxx>
Jan,
I think your tones look fantastic! Yes, a bit contrasty but that's
more than conditions I think and not adjusting for such. Should you
decide to try this combination again and find yourself in such
contrast I recommend shooting the Neopan 400 at 250 and pulling back
your development time about 30%. Should make for a flatter neg but
will scan much easier and you'll get more detail in the shadows.
I have had some great results with Neopan 400 with Rodinal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rich8155/2586707363/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rich8155/67533121/
(though neither of those were the over-expose/pull back development
time method for contrasty light, and just the first one is a Rollei
shot....)
Richard S.
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From: Robert Lilley <54moggie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:50:09 -0400
Very nice the both of you! The texture in Albany Roof Garden is
fantastic! Nothing like the acutance of Rodinal! I use it for
'gritty detail' and have good results with Efke 100. But, Jan, I
don't think this combination would ever be as soft as your great shot
"Enjoying Fall" - thats another thing entirely.
Rob
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From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Jan:
They are very good photographs, well composed. I like tones
very much, some areas look a bit contrasty in my monitor, anyway
the images general look is very good.
A cold developer means it has less activity and then the result
would be a neg less contrasty, at least with Rodinal, and then I
don't think temperature was a problem.
It's very strange to me you mentioned the Rodinal box recommends 11
minutes diluted 1:50 for Fuji Across 400, I still keep my last and
empty Rodinal bottle with the box and the paper with instructions,
they recommend 8 minutes 1:50 for the Across 400 gamma 0,65;
according these instructions you could overdevelop the film a bit.
Carlos
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 07:57:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rodinal & Neopan results
----------"Jan Decher" <Jan.Decher@xxxxxxx>
...Carlos, are Fuji Acros and Neopan the same thing?...>
Yes Jan, actually the film called "Acros" is the "Fuji Neopan 100
Acros", some literature also calls the Fuji Neopan ISO 400 "Neopan
Acros 400", but the box says "Neopan 400" only. My Agfa Rodinal box
has the instructions sheet calling it "Fuji Neopan Acros 100" and
"Fuji Neopan Acros 400", the last known Agfa Rodinal instructions
sheet in the web calls it "Neopan 400" and the Neopan 100 Acros is
not included, the "Neopan 400" has identical developing time
regarding my data sheet, 8 minutes at 20ºC diluted 1+50:
http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documentatie/Rodinal.pdf
Carlos
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:32:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rodinal & Neopan results
Jan,
I had written from memory this morning regarding my Rodinal data
sheet, now I'm reading it, the data is identical regarding the PDF
document in the web I quoted previously, the only two B&W Fuji films
in my sheet are Fuji Neopan 400 and Fuji Neopan 1600 too, Fuji
Neopan 100 Acros is not included.
BTW the rest of the info below is very right, including the fact
some literature calls the Neopan 400 " Neopan 400 Acros", but the
true Acros is the Neopan 100 Acros.
And then Agfa recommended 8' diluted 1+50 at 20ºC, you used 11',
overdevelopment could be more or less significant according the
developer bath real temperature.-
Carlos
--- El jue 26-mar-09, Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
escribió:
----------"Jan Decher" <Jan.Decher@xxxxxxx>
...Carlos, are Fuji Acros and Neopan the same
thing?...>
Yes Jan, actually the film called "Acros" is the
"Fuji Neopan 100 Acros", some literature also
calls the Fuji Neopan ISO 400 "Neopan Acros 400",
but the box says "Neopan 400" only. My Agfa
Rodinal box has the instructions sheet calling it "Fuji
Neopan Acros 100" and "Fuji Neopan Acros
400", the last known Agfa Rodinal instructions sheet in
the web calls it "Neopan 400" and the Neopan 100
Acros is not included, the "Neopan 400" has
identical developing time regarding my data sheet, 8 minutes
at 20ºC diluted 1+50:
http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documentatie/Rodinal.pdf
Carlos
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:46:08 -0700
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rodinal & Neopan results
From: Richard Sintchak <rich815@xxxxxxxxx>
Miight go back to D76 for Neopan 400 or give it one more try in
Rodinal and "overdevelop" a little bit as Carlos suggested.
It looks to me like you overdeveloped doing it for 11 minutes and
Carlos is suggested 8 minutes. That's less development.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Jan Decher <Jan.Decher@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks everyone for the positive comments.
Robert, I hate to expose Neopan 400 at 250 because I rather like
the extra
stop to work with my handheld 3.5E. So, I think I just want to
find a
softer working developer at 400. Miight go back to D76 for Neopan
400 or
give it one more try in Rodinal and "overdevelop" a little bit as
Carlos
suggested.
Rob, I agree that the tones in Enjoying Fall came out just right.
Those
negatives also were very "cooperative" in the darkroom.
Carlos, are Fuji Acros and Neopan the same thing?
I do have some rolls of Agfapan 25 left for more static subject and
wonder
how I can get a good tonal gradient with that film. It also got too
contrasty on me in the past . In general I had better luck with
higher speed
film than with lower speed. Used to get excellent results with
Ilford HP5
in Tetenal's Emofin 2-step developer.
My Jobo 1000 development tank is starting to desintegrate after
almost 35
years of service. Maybe I will finally switch to steel tanks and
spools...
Jan
From: Richard Sintchak <rich815@xxxxxxxxx>
Jan,
I think your tones look fantastic! Yes, a bit contrasty but that's
more
than conditions I think and not adjusting for such. Should you
decide to try this combination again and find yourself in such
contrast I
recommend shooting the Neopan 400 at 250 and pulling back
your development time about 30%. Should make for a flatter neg but
will
scan much easier and you'll get more detail in the shadows.
I have had some great results with Neopan 400 with Rodinal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rich8155/2586707363/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rich8155/67533121/
(though neither of those were the over-expose/pull back development
time
method for contrasty light, and just the first one is a Rollei
shot....)
Richard S.
------------------------------
From: Robert Lilley <54moggie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:50:09 -0400
Very nice the both of you! The texture in Albany Roof Garden is
fantastic! Nothing like the acutance of Rodinal! I use it for
'gritty detail' and have good results with Efke 100. But, Jan, I
don't
think this combination would ever be as soft as your great shot
"Enjoying Fall" - thats another thing entirely.
Rob
------------------------------
From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Jan:
They are very good photographs, well composed. I like tones
very
much, some areas look a bit contrasty in my monitor, anyway the
images
general look is very good.
A cold developer means it has less activity and then the result
would be a
neg less contrasty, at least with Rodinal, and then I don't think
temperature was a problem.
It's very strange to me you mentioned the Rodinal box recommends 11
minutes
diluted 1:50 for Fuji Across 400, I still keep my last and empty
Rodinal
bottle with the box and the paper with instructions, they recommend 8
minutes 1:50 for the Across 400 gamma 0,65; according these
instructions you
could overdevelop the film a bit.
Carlos
--
Richard S.
San Francisco
My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
My Commute Photo Blog
http://shootingonthefly.blogspot.com/
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:46:43 -0700
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rodinal & Neopan results
From: Richard Sintchak <rich815@xxxxxxxxx>
Wait, scratch that. I mis-read what you meant. Yes, less development
time solves a lot of contrast issues....
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Richard Sintchak
<rich815@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Miight go back to D76 for Neopan 400 or give it one more try in
Rodinal and "overdevelop" a little bit as Carlos suggested.
It looks to me like you overdeveloped doing it for 11 minutes and
Carlos is suggested 8 minutes. That's less development.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 6:45 AM, Jan Decher <Jan.Decher@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
Thanks everyone for the positive comments.
Robert, I hate to expose Neopan 400 at 250 because I rather like
the extra
stop to work with my handheld 3.5E. So, I think I just want to
find a
softer working developer at 400. Miight go back to D76 for Neopan
400 or
give it one more try in Rodinal and "overdevelop" a little bit as
Carlos
suggested.
Rob, I agree that the tones in Enjoying Fall came out just right.
Those
negatives also were very "cooperative" in the darkroom.
Carlos, are Fuji Acros and Neopan the same thing?
I do have some rolls of Agfapan 25 left for more static subject
and wonder
how I can get a good tonal gradient with that film. It also got too
contrasty on me in the past . In general I had better luck with
higher speed
film than with lower speed. Used to get excellent results with
Ilford HP5
in Tetenal's Emofin 2-step developer.
My Jobo 1000 development tank is starting to desintegrate after
almost 35
years of service. Maybe I will finally switch to steel tanks and
spools...
Jan
From: Richard Sintchak <rich815@xxxxxxxxx>
Jan,
I think your tones look fantastic! Yes, a bit contrasty but
that's more
than conditions I think and not adjusting for such. Should you
decide to try this combination again and find yourself in such
contrast I
recommend shooting the Neopan 400 at 250 and pulling back
your development time about 30%. Should make for a flatter neg
but will
scan much easier and you'll get more detail in the shadows.
I have had some great results with Neopan 400 with Rodinal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rich8155/2586707363/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rich8155/67533121/
(though neither of those were the over-expose/pull back
development time
method for contrasty light, and just the first one is a Rollei
shot....)
Richard S.
------------------------------
From: Robert Lilley <54moggie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:50:09 -0400
Very nice the both of you! The texture in Albany Roof Garden is
fantastic! Nothing like the acutance of Rodinal! I use it for
'gritty detail' and have good results with Efke 100. But, Jan,
I don't
think this combination would ever be as soft as your great shot
"Enjoying Fall" - thats another thing entirely.
Rob
------------------------------
From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi Jan:
They are very good photographs, well composed. I like
tones very
much, some areas look a bit contrasty in my monitor, anyway the
images
general look is very good.
A cold developer means it has less activity and then the result
would be a
neg less contrasty, at least with Rodinal, and then I don't think
temperature was a problem.
It's very strange to me you mentioned the Rodinal box recommends
11 minutes
diluted 1:50 for Fuji Across 400, I still keep my last and empty
Rodinal
bottle with the box and the paper with instructions, they
recommend 8
minutes 1:50 for the Across 400 gamma 0,65; according these
instructions you
could overdevelop the film a bit.
Carlos
--
Richard S.
San Francisco
My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
My Commute Photo Blog
http://shootingonthefly.blogspot.com/
--
Richard S.
San Francisco
My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
My Commute Photo Blog
http://shootingonthefly.blogspot.com/
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From: "Jerry Laderberg" <jerry@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] Camera show, Sunday March 29, Ft.
Washington, PA, Holid
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:56:03 -0400
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