So that I don't have to carry to many pieces of gadgetry, I will down load music to my mobile phone, I think that this is a much more practical solution to carrying music than missing calls because of being plugged into the IPOD or MP3 player. As for "interface" I think Sony's interface is excellent. I travel about two hours to and from work every day, and I can hardly get time to listen to music, what with studying and the Rollei list of course. But when I can the MP3 suits my needs. But back to the main point, I am on the Rollei list because I LOVE Rollei cameras and in particular the Rollei 3.5F TLR. Because I am not a Mac user although I was once but no longer am, this does not compromise my being on a Rollei list. I like the Planar because it gives beautiful grays when using the zone system. And the square format is excellent for composition. I don't know how to use Photoshop very well, but I have considerable experience in exposing films and printing in the darkroom. This is why Im on the Rollei list. If I wanted to debate PC's and Mac's I would join a Mac's rule type list. Just my compatibility problems worth. -----Original Message----- From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Dernie Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 3:28 AM To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Wanted to Buy Macintosh SE/30 obviously our priorities differ! I travel all over the world for my work (about 60 flights a year) and am a music lover. The ipod is absolutely the best thing that has happened to my travelling in 30 years! I pre-ordered the original as soon as it was announced and it is still going strong. The walkman was a great breakthrough but the ipod does it so small. I also now have a larger capacity one too. It has been a delight to own a piece of microprocessor controlled domestic equipment with an intelligent intuitive user interface. None of the Japanese mass market have managed it, be it programming a VCR or changing the settings on a digicam! My daughter bought a Sony mp3 player in a burst of "anti hype" - nicely made unit - not as good in any other way. Frank On 18 Sep, 2006, at 03:09, Marvin Wallace wrote: > Frank wrote, > If cheap is your main arbiter I am surprised you are on the Rollei > list ;-) > > Nice point Frank although completely irrelevant! I'm on the Rollei > list > because I love Rollei cameras. My being on the Rollei list is > because I am a > fine art photographer! This in my opinion has nothing to do with > Mac vs P.C, > either of which I am very interested in, although I dislike Mac more; > particularly since the launch of the idiotic IPOD. > Just Shuffling. > Marvin. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Frank Dernie > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 2:28 AM > To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Wanted to Buy Macintosh SE/30 > > not my experience. > In the 80s when the pc appeared it was pitifully slow and had the > first really bad commercial operating system. I did not work > properly. Good marketing persuaded naive new to computers customers > that that was normal. Compared to the (cheaper) computer I was using > at the time it was about 50x slower and crashed all the time. > The mac was much more expensive initially, but massively more > powerful - necessary for the very much more powerful operating system > - which made it easy for non techies to use. > The relative merits and prices have ebbed and flowed in the meantime > and I have continued to (have to) use both. PCs have normally been > cheaper and worse made, for gaming they are a no brainer as the video > is faster. From a software point of view the Apple OS has always been > superior to any of the concurrent Microsoft OSs, usually very > considerably. From a hardware point of view Apple, to an extent, shot > themselves in the foot by not letting others make compatible > hardware. It will always be a matter of opinion but most of the time > the Apple hardware has been better styled and made but pcs from super > cheap sources were great for students (and cheapskates). > My current laptops are Hewlett a Packard PC and oldish G4 Mac 17". > They cost about the same, the HP is potentially a touch faster but > the software rarely works smoothly, particularly on the company > network - the IT department don't know why (XP Pro) and have not been > able to fix it...... The Mac is much better made, the OS (10.4.7) is > very much superior. > If cheap is your main arbiter I am surprised you are on the Rollei > list ;-) > Frank > > > On 17 Sep, 2006, at 16:26, Marvin Wallace wrote: > >> I too was a Macintosh user, and then I bought a P.C and found that >> there is >> little difference between the two, the exception being Macs are >> stupidly >> overpriced. 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