[rollei_list] Re: Rolleimot
- From: Laurence Cuffe <cuffe@xxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 17:31:16 -0400
Carlos
I have been following with interest your discussions with Peter, but now your
photographs have me confused. I've looked at the rolleimot, and the picture of
a 150 exposure magazine which you included when we discussed this in 2007 a
link to which I include here,
http://auction-team.de/new_highlights/2003_04/0065.htm
and I cannot see how they could operate together. Was there a different large
capacity magazine for the camera?
All the best
Larry Cuffe
On Friday, April 09, 2010, at 05:01PM, "CarlosMFreaza" <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>I meant 500 units.-
>
>Carlos
>
>2010/4/9 CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> Yes Peter, that is the image in my blog I mentioned above, it was an
>> advanced accesory in 1963, but there were better solutions in 1969,
>> the last year it was manufactured. BTW it was expensive, 10 were sold
>> for sure because they were asked for the special 150 rames magazine.
>> The average was 1 frame each 3.5 seconds, not bad for 1963 and for a
>> camera designed for manual use only. %00 units were manufactured and
>> most of them were sold the first years of production.
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> 2010/4/9 Peter K. <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>> I did see the remote:
>>>
>>> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7YCYTkFybJY/S7-MO7F2SsI/AAAAAAAAAaM/5Wgbe2NXChA/s1600/Rolleimot+1+a.jpg
>>>
>>> So it would appear that this was really a motor drive more than anything
>>> else. Wonder if anyone actually bought one for use? I mean, to take this to
>>> a sporting event or a place where you would need to take consecutive photos
>>> would be silly considering the size. Any idea of the number of photos per
>>> second this allowed? Maybe 1 fps?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Peter K. <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Carlos. OK. But you would still need a LONG Remote Control Wire. So
>>>> I would imagine Rollei must have made them at one time and you would have
>>>> had to ask for them to be fabricated to the length needed. Do you know what
>>>> the maximum allowable length of those cords would be? Any idea where they
>>>> were actually employed in use outside of Rollei's testing them before
>>>> putting them on the shelf? To me it still seems like an expensive solution
>>>> looking for a problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 1:37 PM, CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter:
>>>>> The Rolleimot does not work the way you wrote below. The
>>>>> only long cord is the Remote Control wire, in fact the Rolleimot
>>>>> provides automatic shutter release via a short cable and automatic
>>>>> film advance, the images in eBay are confusing because they "cut" the
>>>>> short shutter release cable and then it seems two different cables.
>>>>> BTW, being the power an internal source, within the Rolleimot body,
>>>>> you can't see it, I uploded these two Rolleimot images, with camera
>>>>> and without camera for a better understanding of its working:
>>>>> http://itarphotos.blogspot.com/2010/04/rolleimot.html
>>>>>
>>>>> In the second image you can see the Remote Control wire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/4/9 Peter K. <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> > OK, that makes sense. But you would still need a long "wired" cable
>>>>> > release
>>>>> > to take a picture. So it was designed for very specific applications.
>>>>> > Maybe
>>>>> > that is why they never sold many (or perhaps gave them away to certain
>>>>> > institutions).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > You can pick one up cheap at KEH (under $200) --->
>>>>> > http://www.keh.com/Product-Details/1/RT16999025940I/RT16/FE.aspx
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Or a mint one on ebay for $1000. Item #380221806610 (nice photos here)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > BTW, there is nothing to show an internal power, just a gray cord which
>>>>> > I
>>>>> > would assume could be from a 6v source of Ds or AC Adapter. Still you
>>>>> > would
>>>>> > need a very long shutter release cord. So very limited use of this
>>>>> > device. I
>>>>> > would say it is a solution looking for a problem rather than the other
>>>>> > way
>>>>> > around. May be one reason why F&H went bankrupt. Stupidity in building
>>>>> > things for a market too small to provide revenue and ignoring the
>>>>> > market
>>>>> > (like the Medium format SLR market they forgot about until 1962) that
>>>>> > would
>>>>> > make them money.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --Peter K
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:26 AM, CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Peter:
>>>>> >> I insist, the Rolleimot has a 6v motor, the energy is
>>>>> >> provided using four D size batteries, this is an internal power
>>>>> >> source, no other electricity is necessary, however it allowed to use a
>>>>> >> transformer.
>>>>> >> Rolleimot was manufactured along 6 years anyway, it costed DM 495 in
>>>>> >> 1963, a Rolleicord Vb costed DM 360 in 1962 and a Rolleiflex T DM 555
>>>>> >> in 1961, it was an expensive accesory.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Carlos
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> 2010/4/8 Peter K. <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>> >> > My problem is you would have to have electricity in those dangerous
>>>>> >> > areas.
>>>>> >> > Something that is hardly doable.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Marc James Small
>>>>> >> > <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> At 02:47 PM 4/8/2010, Peter K. wrote:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>> The reason I am silent is that I work and travel. Do not always
>>>>> >> >>> check
>>>>> >> >>> this list. So I will say that I was perhaps wrong to call the
>>>>> >> >>> Rolleimot a
>>>>> >> >>> pig. The Rolleimot apparently had a "unique market" as you note.
>>>>> >> >>> What
>>>>> >> >>> market? Apparently no one really knows, but it must have been
>>>>> >> >>> useful
>>>>> >> >>> somewhere. You would need a long electric cord and a long remote
>>>>> >> >>> cord,
>>>>> >> >>> so go
>>>>> >> >>> figure where this was applicable.
>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>> >> >>> As to Herr Prochnow. He was a nice man. I too corresponded with
>>>>> >> >>> him,
>>>>> >> >>> but
>>>>> >> >>> would not call myself an expert because of that. Not sure why he
>>>>> >> >>> did
>>>>> >> >>> not
>>>>> >> >>> return your emails, or those of Bob Shell. But he was quite
>>>>> >> >>> accessible
>>>>> >> >>> prior
>>>>> >> >>> to his passing and I did write him on a number of occasions and
>>>>> >> >>> received
>>>>> >> >>> responses.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Peter
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> The Rolleimot was developed for technical applications in dangerous
>>>>> >> >> areas.
>>>>> >> >> Seems pretty clear to the rest of us. What problem do you have
>>>>> >> >> with
>>>>> >> >> this
>>>>> >> >> possibility?
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> I only obtained an e-mail address for Prochnow several months
>>>>> >> >> before
>>>>> >> >> his
>>>>> >> >> death, and I suppose that is why he never replied to my missives.
>>>>> >> >> No
>>>>> >> >> problem. Bob Shell wrote him at length by snail-mail a few times
>>>>> >> >> about
>>>>> >> >> eight or nine years back and never got a response. For all I know,
>>>>> >> >> the
>>>>> >> >> letters were lost in the mail.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> I was not complaining about my lack of direct contact with
>>>>> >> >> Prochnow: I
>>>>> >> >> was simply noting that Carlos had a vibrant and rich exchange with
>>>>> >> >> Prochnow
>>>>> >> >> for many years, and I did not. And I now know that you had contact
>>>>> >> >> as
>>>>> >> >> well.
>>>>> >> >> As you properly note, there are only 24 hours a day, and all of us
>>>>> >> >> fail to
>>>>> >> >> push things with sufficient vigor until the time for doing so is
>>>>> >> >> past.
>>>>> >> >> I
>>>>> >> >> still have a dozen lens serial numbers to send Charlie Barringer --
>>>>> >> >> and
>>>>> >> >> it
>>>>> >> >> is too late now to do this. I should have done it three weeks ago,
>>>>> >> >> when it
>>>>> >> >> might have made a difference, but I just could not find the Round
>>>>> >> >> Tuit.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> Marc
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> >> >> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>>>>> >> >>
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