All, going back to more beautiful Rolleis... I've had a discussion with two ebay sellers recently about whether or not the Rolleiflex 3003 shipped with the detachable 'camcorder' grip (for lack of a better expression; my manual is in German). I bought my 3003 used about 19 years ago, and it came with the grip. The manual has the camera with grip on the front page, but does not have a shipping list. And it doesn't even list the grip with a parts number. Most of the 3003s offered on ebay these days come *without* the grip - which is puzzling, since arguably this grip and the additional trigger on the top are the biggest improvement over the SL 2000F. Does anybody have additional information? I guess the person to ask would be Jan Böttcher, who does not appear to be subscribed any more... hauke -- "It's never straight up and down" (DEVO) --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list