----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Reece" <oboeaaron@xxxxxxx> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei R3 film review > Richard, > > I had the same concerns when I first heard the claims that > this film > could be used anywhere from EI 25 to EI 6400. They claim > it has three > photosensitive layers, each with a different sensitivity. > That is why > you have to use the special developer to "unlock" the > multi-speed > capabilities (layers). With ordinary developers it has a > nominal speed > of ISO 400. At least, that's what they claim. I have not > used this film > myself. > > Cheers, > -Aaron This makes no sense. Depth developers are those that can reach the latent image sensitivity specs below the surface of the silver grain. Developers with relatively high amounts of sulfite or other halide solvents do this. For instance D-76 is a depth developer to some extent. There are also surface developers which limit development to the sensitivity specs on the surfaces of the crystals. Developers which strip away the surface of the halide crystals do increase speed somewhat but not by a lot. The terms depth and surface developer are sometimes used in another sense. That is whether they develop crystals near the surface of the emulsion or those deeper. In this respect surface developers were used to some degree in developing motion picture sound negatives because they tended to increase resolution by not developing the somewhat blurred image deeper in the emulsion. This sort of thing is obviated by thin emulsions and good anti-halation layers. Motion picture sound recorders also employed ultra-violet sources for a time in the late 1930's to early 1940's for the same reasons. Multiple layer emulsions are the standard practice. Modern emulsion technology has allowed a single, thin, layer to have enough latitude to cover the range of brightness required by pictorial photograpy. This is the kind of emulsion found on T-Max and other tabular grain films. The square crystal emulsion mentioned in the R3 data is the conventional type of emulsion that has been in use for a century. Many conventional films have two or even three layers of emulsion, each of a different sensitivity and of a different contrast, to control the shape of the D-LogE curve and to extend latitude. Anti-halation layers coated under the emulsion are common in color films and are used by Agfa in its black and white films. It is a good way to prevent halation and eliminates the need for a pigmented support for 35mm film where one end may be exposed to bright light. Such a layer may have an improving effect on resolution by eliminating the reflection between the emulsion and the top of the support although this does not seem to be an important factor in other films. All film, except special purpose films, has a top coating for anti-abrasion purposes, it has nothing to do with the ability of the film to withstand reversal processing as is stated in the data sheet. Reversal processes require rather high pH developers which tend to cause emulsion swelling and the bleach baths also can cause swelling. Color films are hardened in manufacture to withstand 100F processing and reversal films are hardened to withstand any additional softing by the processing solutions. The surface coating must also be hard or it will slough off. The statement about color sensitivity is laughable: apochromatic film; oh dear. This is mixing optical terms with film terms. From the published curve the film has extended red sensitivity suggesting it was originally designed for some purpose requiring near-IR sensitivity such as traffic monitoring cameras. Technical Pan has similar extended red sensitivity although not as far extended. This may actually be a disadvantage for pictorial use as it can result in odd tonal rendering if a green filter is not used. The D-logE curve looks pretty normal. I was able to download the data sheet for the 35mm film and for the chemicals but the others are corrupted and will ont open in Adobe Acrobat 7 reader. --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list