Thanks for the responses. Mark I wonder if we are on the same page here, I am talking about the Petri Colour 35, which is a very high quality minature camera, not the cheap mass produced models. Carlos I have never seen a 35 used in any exacting work such as street documentary, and that's what I think counts against the 35. Sure for static subjects its OK, zone focus and all. I really think that for the size of the camera the M3 with a collapsable 50mm is infinitely better. The size differential is minimal. In my opinion I think the 35 is an infexible tool. I agree with the post that the Kodak Retina is also a good minature, they are excellent. Thanks, Marvin. Sent via BlackBerry® from 3 -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:33:25 To:rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei 35S, SE --- marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >...Please note that they can only be > realistically used with the lens closed down focused > at distance. I have never seen one used with > focusing other that stopped down.... The statement above is surprising to me, the focusing is pretty easy to handle using the hyperfocal distances, at 2m and 6m the DOF is very good even with the lens wide open, this is a sample where you can see working the hyperfocal, the foreground is very close to the camera and I used a pretty wide f stop with the artificial available light, the image is sharp from the foreground to the background (you can enlarge the image clicking the zoom): http://www.flickr.com/photos/itarfoto/1456649900/ All the best Carlos Los referentes más importantes en compra/ venta de autos se juntaron: Demotores y Yahoo! Ahora comprar o vender tu auto es más fácil. Vistá ar.autos.yahoo.com/ --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list