Richard, I don't know where you found all of this. You're a real gem :-) Thor On 30. mai. 2005, at 19.00, Richard Knoppow wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thor Legvold" <tlegvold@xxxxxxx> > To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 9:20 AM > Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Old film > > >> I still prefer Kodachrome for 35mm. A shame it's not >> available anymore >> for 120. >> >> Thor > > I don't know why Kodak has been trying to kill off > Kodachrome but they have for a long time. Probably > supporting the special processing is the problem. Kodachrome > evidently has excellent dark storage properties while > Ektachrome type films have better resistance to fading under > projection. I've seen quite a lot of Kodachrome that still > looks pristine after 60 years. I am not sure why the dyes > are so stable. Kodachrome differs from more recent color > films in that the substances which form the dyes are in the > developing solutions rather than in the emulsion layers. > This may offer a wider range of dyes that can be used or, > perhaps its something to do with residues of some sort in > the emulsion layers. > Kodachrome has a curious history. From bits of history > gotten from various sources it seems that George Eastman got > interested in finding a practical color film for amateur > photographers. Its hinted that this desire was one reason > for the establishment of the Kodak Research Laboratories > although I think Eastman's aquaintance with the Edison lab, > which eventually became the famous General Electric research > lab, may have inspired its creation. Kodak was not > successful during Eastman's lifetime although it introduced > at least two early color processes. One was an additive > process using a reseau of colored particals similar to the > Dufycolor process. Agfa also had a commercial process using > a version of the same technique, as did others. Kodak called > its material Kodachrome. I no longer remember the date of > introduction but I think it was in the 1920's, perhaps even > earlier. It was not a sucessful process. The other earlier > Kodak system was called Kodacolor and was a lenticular > system for 16mm motion pictures. This was introduced in the > early 1930's. Lenticular color systems have some serious > inherent problems. One of the worst is color fringing of out > of focus areas of the image. The syetem also requires a lens > with a large physical aperture causing a limited depth of > field and an exageration of the above problem. A great deal > of work by Kodak in cooperation with Paramount Pictures was > put into adapting lenticular color for professional motion > pictures. The system works pretty well for reversal where > the camera original is projected but there are grave > difficulties in printing and duplicating. These, along with > the relatively poor image quality caused the system to be > unsuccessful and it was withdrawn after a relatively short > time. > The later process known as Kodachrome was introduced > about 1935 as a 16mm motion picture stock. The original > processing method was very complex and very fussy. It > depended on the conrolled penetration of a bleach into the > emulsion. The film was first developed into a negative. It > was then given a reversal development for the color nearest > the support. After this it was bleached in a bleach solution > that penetrated only the two top layers. Then it was again > developed in a developer which produced the right color for > the center layer. Again it was bleached, this time for the > top layer only. Then it was developed a third time for the > top layer. Joseph Friedman, in his book on the history of > color processes, attributes this method to Mannes and > Godowsky since other parts of the Kodachrome process dated > from the turn of the century and were fairly well known > technology. After about a year and half a better method of > processing was found. This is the method still used. This > still requires three separate reversal developments in > developer containing the right couplers for the particular > layers but eliminates the need for the differential > bleaching. It makes use of the color sensitizing of the red > layer, which remains after the first development so that > selective re-exposure of the three layers is possible. The > first reversal is of the bottom layer by fogging it with red > light from the support side. Since none of the other layers > is sensitive to red only the bottom layer becomes > developable. Next the top layer is fogged using blue light. > Because the yellow filter layer is intact the blue light > does not fog the center (green recording) layer. After the > top layer is developed the center layer is developed in a > fogging developer. All this was necessitated by Kodak's lack > of success in finding a way to keep dye couplers from > wandering from layer to layer. Agfa did find a way and > introduced a reversal color film at about the same time as > Kodachrome that could be developed in a much simpler > fashion. However, it was never sold in the US and was > inferior to Kodachrome in image quality. The Agfa method of > anchoring the dye is the one currently in use for all > chromogenic color films. Kodak did eventually find another > method of anchoring the couplers. This was introduced in > Kodacolor film c.1941 and was the basis for Kodak color > materials until probably the 1980's when they adopted the > Agfa method. It is reported that Kodak made materials for > the military using the Agfa technique during WW-2 when the > Agfa patents were seized by the government. > > --- > Richard Knoppow > Los Angeles, CA, USA > dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > --- > Rollei List > > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' > in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Online, searchable archives are available at > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list > --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list