[rollei_list] Re: OT iPod (was Re: Wanted to Buy Macintosh SE/30)

  • From: eroustom@xxxxxxxxxxx
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:49:34 +0000

Finally! Thanks. Back to Rollei.


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Marvin Wallace" <Marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> First thing I haven't got a clue what you're talking about! 
> 
> Secondly I'm not preaching to you, I'm voicing my opinion in response to
> IPLODS rule type sentiment which was voiced when I said I prefer P.C's over
> Mac's.
> 
> Thirdly if you want an IPOD, of what concern is that to me! Or interest!
> 
> Fourthly, many people are probably cheesed off with the fact that this
> dialogue is not photographically related and pertinent to a Rollei list.
> 
> Which goes back to my fourth point, if you want an IPLOD, and you like them
> spend YOUR money.
> 
> After all it is a Rollei list, lets keep it simple.
> 
> Let's just stick to facts worth.
> 
> Marvin.    
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ERoustom
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:53 PM
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT iPod (was Re: Wanted to Buy Macintosh SE/30)
> 
>  
> 
> Simplicity? Ah yes, poor simplicity keeps having to be recommended to us
> silly people who enjoy a gadget now and then.
> 
>  
> 
> I run an anachronistic business and get my customers from the ranks of those
> searching for beauty and simplicity - I should know a few things about
> simplicity - yet not one day in "the" life is simple.
> 
>  
> 
> I had a truck driver in the shop waiting for me to sign a BoL and he saw the
> antique presses on one side and the G5 on the other, and asked jokingly if
> "Those machines weren't afraid of being in the room with that machine?" It's
> the new one that lets the old ones work still. I'd have no business printing
> the way my grandfather would have if it were not for the complexity plugged
> into the world through the wall.
> 
>  
> 
> Listening to Bach while washing up a press at the end of the day enriches my
> life. That it comes from a very small device that does not clutter my
> already cluttered ink storage cabinet, simplifies my life.
> 
>  
> 
> Simplicity is a good goal to have, and a virtue to champion. But preaching
> simplicity is another matter. You haven't the clout, none of us do, to
> clearly define it especially not through proscription or derision. The
> Taliban banned shaving - hey life is simpler without razors - please don't
> say you have a beard - right?
> 
>  
> 
> So your disinterest in or distaste for the iPod is your own concern, but the
> simplicity of the lives of those around you is not. What encourages people
> to tune or plug in or out, on or off, is circumstance, education, moral
> fiber, character, strength, intelligence, security, upbringing, genetics,
> opportunity - almost anything but the gadgets. Modern life has its issues,
> and the iPod may very well be a symbol of the best and worst of it, but you
> could say that for the internal combustion engine (in its time), or the gun,
> or the clipper ship, printing, agriculture, bronze... how far back should we
> go before we find good and appropriate simplicity?
> 
>  
> 
> Life has always been difficult and complicated. Several thousands of years
> of endless preaching down to the easily distracted hasn't done one thing to
> lessen the load.
> 
>  
> 
> Solution? There is none, simplicity is an ideal, a distraction even, not a
> reality.
> 
>  
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> As mentioned my concern is not just about the technology packed into the
> IPLODS, it's about the quality they add or detract from our lives. I think
> carrying an "80 gig" hard drive will ensure that we have our entire music
> collections on tap. But at the same time it will encourage people to be
> "plugged in", as we are sold the fact that our every minute should be
> productive. The net result is more time being plugged in and less time
> "thinking" .add to this the mobile telephone and the blackberry plus the
> internet and the Rollei group !!!, and you arrive at what I see as
> dangerous, and that is information overload.
> 
> Solution! simplicity is often better.
> 
> Just my multi taskings worth.
> 
>  
> 



--- Begin Message ---
  • From: "Marvin Wallace" <Marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:24:55 +0000

First thing I haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about!

Secondly I’m not preaching to you, I’m voicing my opinion in response to IPLODS rule type sentiment which was voiced when I said I prefer P.C’s over Mac’s.

Thirdly if you want an IPOD, of what concern is that to me! Or interest!

Fourthly, many people are probably cheesed off with the fact that this dialogue is not photographically related and pertinent to a Rollei list.

Which goes back to my fourth point, if you want an IPLOD, and you like them spend YOUR money.

After all it is a Rollei list, lets keep it simple.

Let’s just stick to facts worth.

Marvin.    

 


From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ERoustom
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:53 PM
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT iPod (was Re: Wanted to Buy Macintosh SE/30)

 

Simplicity? Ah yes, poor simplicity keeps having to be recommended to us silly people who enjoy a gadget now and then.

 

I run an anachronistic business and get my customers from the ranks of those searching for beauty and simplicity - I should know a few things about simplicity - yet not one day in "the" life is simple.

 

I had a truck driver in the shop waiting for me to sign a BoL and he saw the antique presses on one side and the G5 on the other, and asked jokingly if "Those machines weren't afraid of being in the room with that machine?" It's the new one that lets the old ones work still. I'd have no business printing the way my grandfather would have if it were not for the complexity plugged into the world through the wall.

 

Listening to Bach while washing up a press at the end of the day enriches my life. That it comes from a very small device that does not clutter my already cluttered ink storage cabinet, simplifies my life.

 

Simplicity is a good goal to have, and a virtue to champion. But preaching simplicity is another matter. You haven't the clout, none of us do, to clearly define it especially not through proscription or derision. The Taliban banned shaving - hey life is simpler without razors - please don't say you have a beard - right?

 

So your disinterest in or distaste for the iPod is your own concern, but the simplicity of the lives of those around you is not. What encourages people to tune or plug in or out, on or off, is circumstance, education, moral fiber, character, strength, intelligence, security, upbringing, genetics, opportunity - almost anything but the gadgets. Modern life has its issues, and the iPod may very well be a symbol of the best and worst of it, but you could say that for the internal combustion engine (in its time), or the gun, or the clipper ship, printing, agriculture, bronze... how far back should we go before we find good and appropriate simplicity?

 

Life has always been difficult and complicated. Several thousands of years of endless preaching down to the easily distracted hasn't done one thing to lessen the load.

 

Solution? There is none, simplicity is an ideal, a distraction even, not a reality.

 

Just a thought.

 

 

As mentioned my concern is not just about the technology packed into the IPLODS, it’s about the quality they add or detract from our lives. I think carrying an “80 gig” hard drive will ensure that we have our entire music collections on tap. But at the same time it will encourage people to be “plugged in”, as we are sold the fact that our every minute should be productive. The net result is more time being plugged in and less time ”thinking” .add to this the mobile telephone and the blackberry plus the internet and the Rollei group !!!, and you arrive at what I see as dangerous, and that is information overload.

Solution! simplicity is often better.

Just my multi taskings worth.

 


--- End Message ---

Other related posts: