On 5/21/05 6:30 PM, "Eric Goldstein" <egoldste@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> typed: >>> You can selenium tone negs. And Ansel selenium toned >>> Moonrise as it needed a >>> little extra contrast. > > > Ansel did everything possible to that neg; it was a mess. Intensify, tone, > you name it. It was still a bitch to print... > > Selenium toning was in this case ALSO in the category of "intensification" As that is what it does. And is. In the darkroom handbooks of long gone with the wheels and paper samples and the charts it was always on the list of intensifiers. But on the bottom in order of effect. But The advantage being that while all other intensifiers makes for a neg. whose lifetime is tenuous selenium does the opposite. It makes for in effect "archival" negs. And makes them prettier too! And you're more likely to have it on hand than regular intensifiers which kills you quicker than Selenium does. Which is in vitamins. Perhaps explaining that rosy tan I've been getting lately. Negs are much less of an archival issue than prints as there are as there are no fibers like as in paper to soak up and lock in all the bad stuff. But the idea of selenium negs appeals to me. As to them themselves. They don't appear to really increase contrast all that much. But the color change for some reason makes of a more high contrast image. I guess you are projecting Silver Selenite instead of normal silver salts onto the print. The ramifications are overwhelming! And when you Selenium tone a print which has been made with a Selenium toned negative the rich rosy colors you get are amazing! :) Mark Rabiner Photography Portland Oregon http://rabinergroup.com/ --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list