[rollei_list] Re: OT Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?

That is not a valid comparison Frank since the Zeiss Ikon is at least
as good as the Leica M6 and with some better features for the shooter;
BTW, I know very well the Leica user or collector needs to justify the
investment, and then I prefer to stop this topic here.-

Carlos

2009/11/8 FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> That is like saying a Audi A3 is a completely different car to a VW Golf...
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Sunday, 8 November, 2009 21:10:22
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?
>
> ...and since the ZI RF does not have the round corners like the Leica
> and it has the central vertical rectangle with the lens mount like the
> Contax II and it has the Zeiss logo where the Contax II had the
> telemeter window and because the viewfinder are different and because
> the backs are different and because the sutter are differents and
> because the telemeters are different and because the ZI telemeter has
> a base length closer to the Contax II than to the Leica M, they are
> different cameras completely and the only similarity with the Leica is
> the M mount, and that is an advantage for the Zeiss Ikon.-
>
> Carlos
>
> 2009/11/8 CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> You are wrong Jan, I took as basis Erwin  Puts comment on the Zeiss
>> Ikon, nothing to do with the Zeiss web site. And as I wrote, Bessa or
>> not Bessa, I have instinct for the good cameras and that is a good
>> camera.
>> Carlos
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/11/8 Jan Decher <Jan.Decher@xxxxxxx>:
>>> Frank and Carlos,
>>> My compromise is to use ZM lenses on an older (non-TTL) Leica M6 simply
>>> because  I like mechanical cameras for film and I was lucky to get the
>>> M6 (with 3.5/50mm M-Elmar!) for about the same amount as a new Zeiss Ikon ZM
>>> body.  For the 85 or 90 mm portrait lens I may also go with a used late
>>> Leica Elmarit-M 90 because I like it's features better than the ZM 4/85 TT
>>> (speed, built-in lens hood, chrome). Can't afford the clunky 2/85 Sonnar.
>>> I do agree wth Frank, Carlos, despite much of the "Making of Zeiss Ikon"
>>> hype on the Zeiss website,the ZM camera is a carefully Zeiss-refined Bessa
>>> with more than accidental similarities to a Leica M, and not a true CZ
>>> Contax descendant.
>>> A true Contax offspring should have had the classic "broken corner" shape of
>>> 50s and 60 Zeiss cameras, a true derivative of the metal "Jalousie" shutters
>>> of the Contax IIa/IIIa, and perhaps even the old double-bayonet Contax mount
>>> (briefly revived, interestingly, by Cosina! [click on "Bessa R2S  R2C", left
>>> column]).  But all this would have priced the camera into the Leica
>>> stratosphere, which, I am glad, Zeiss avoided.
>>> Jan
>>> On Nov 8, 2009, at 1:06 AM, FreeLists Mailing List Manager wrote:
>>>
>>> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:21:17 -0800 (PST)
>>>
>>> From: FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> We must be talking about different Zeiss ikon M mount rangefinders. The one
>>> I am familiar with came out a few years ago and is possibly worth the price.
>>> It has many Bessa features (I have a Bessa) but is more substantial, but the
>>> shutter is the same and viewfinder very similar, though the rangefinder base
>>> is extended. It feels nicer than the Bessa but not as nice as the Leica. I
>>> think it is not bad value, though personally I have mainly bought film
>>> cameras second hand.
>>>
>>> I am sure you will enjoy it if you buy one.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>
>>> From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>> And now to the Zeiss Ikon RF. 1)It's a new design from the scratch andhas
>>> nothing to do with Bessa, Cosina or Voigtländer from this point of view.-
>>> ...
>>>
>>> I had no possibility to try the ZI RF, but I think and I hope it could be my
>>> new camera for the next year, the body has a price I could afford with some
>>> effort and I'll see the lens afterward;  I always had a good "instinct" for
>>> cameras, and my instinct says this is a very good camera.-
>>>
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>
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