[rollei_list] Re: OT Re: new Zeiss Ikon- a hollow construct?

You are wrong Jan, I took as basis Erwin  Puts comment on the Zeiss
Ikon, nothing to do with the Zeiss web site. And as I wrote, Bessa or
not Bessa, I have instinct for the good cameras and that is a good
camera.
Carlos



2009/11/8 Jan Decher <Jan.Decher@xxxxxxx>:
> Frank and Carlos,
> My compromise is to use ZM lenses on an older (non-TTL) Leica M6 simply
> because  I like mechanical cameras for film and I was lucky to get the
> M6 (with 3.5/50mm M-Elmar!) for about the same amount as a new Zeiss Ikon ZM
> body.  For the 85 or 90 mm portrait lens I may also go with a used late
> Leica Elmarit-M 90 because I like it's features better than the ZM 4/85 TT
> (speed, built-in lens hood, chrome). Can't afford the clunky 2/85 Sonnar.
> I do agree wth Frank, Carlos, despite much of the "Making of Zeiss Ikon"
> hype on the Zeiss website,the ZM camera is a carefully Zeiss-refined Bessa
> with more than accidental similarities to a Leica M, and not a true CZ
> Contax descendant.
> A true Contax offspring should have had the classic "broken corner" shape of
> 50s and 60 Zeiss cameras, a true derivative of the metal "Jalousie" shutters
> of the Contax IIa/IIIa, and perhaps even the old double-bayonet Contax mount
> (briefly revived, interestingly, by Cosina! [click on "Bessa R2S  R2C", left
> column]).  But all this would have priced the camera into the Leica
> stratosphere, which, I am glad, Zeiss avoided.
> Jan
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 1:06 AM, FreeLists Mailing List Manager wrote:
>
> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:21:17 -0800 (PST)
>
> From: FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> We must be talking about different Zeiss ikon M mount rangefinders. The one
> I am familiar with came out a few years ago and is possibly worth the price.
> It has many Bessa features (I have a Bessa) but is more substantial, but the
> shutter is the same and viewfinder very similar, though the rangefinder base
> is extended. It feels nicer than the Bessa but not as nice as the Leica. I
> think it is not bad value, though personally I have mainly bought film
> cameras second hand.
>
> I am sure you will enjoy it if you buy one.
>
> Frank
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>
> From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> And now to the Zeiss Ikon RF. 1)It's a new design from the scratch andhas
> nothing to do with Bessa, Cosina or Voigtländer from this point of view.-
> ...
>
> I had no possibility to try the ZI RF, but I think and I hope it could be my
> new camera for the next year, the body has a price I could afford with some
> effort and I'll see the lens afterward;  I always had a good "instinct" for
> cameras, and my instinct says this is a very good camera.-
>
> Carlos
>
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