[rollei_list] Re: OT Mapplethorp (was Re: Re:)
- From: "Marvin" <marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 21:48:59 +0800
Hello Lawrence, Newton's work was berated because of his continual
"negative" portrayal of women. Particular the very sexual referenced
stuff(women in red stiletto heels etc).
Imagine you are in an institution and a steady stream of female
photographers approach you armed with B.A and M.A dissertations aimed
squarely at the likes of Newton. You would take note, they have the talk to
go with the attitude, having read Susan Sontag, Germaine Greer etc.
On top of that Cindi Sherman's work was in vogue at that time, it was very
antithetical to Newton's and it was greatly admired by the majority of
female photographers. The Mantra was women let's take control of our own
images, men will just portray us as sex objects etc..
On top of that the university hired a number of female staff who agreed with
these kinds of ideas-and it was good night Newton and Bob Carlos Clarke etc.
At one time there was a nude photography workshop, which of course was
photographing beautiful shapely girls in the woods etc. Of course this was
scrapped as it too was deemed politically incorrect.
Buy a strange quirk of fate, Mapplethorp's images were considered Ok yet
Newton's were considered degrading.
My personal view is that the women on our course were right, and Newton's
work was off. However, I do think that the ending of nude photography women
too extreme.
Funny, but if a women photographed a women nude it was considered ok, I
think Georgia O'Keefe was one yet, a man doing it Edward Weston this was
risky.
Thanks for you well thought out post.
Marvin.
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Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT Mapplethorp (was Re: Re:)
On Sunday, March 07, 2010, at 06:07PM, "Marvin" <marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>I am not trying be argumentative with you(before we begin Carlos).You
>mention "Helmut Newton," his work was considered so bad, particularly the
>way he negatively portrays women, that his books had to be removed from the
>university library. If they weren't the feminists' would steal his books
and
>dump them in the bin or tear them up Bob Carlos Clarke's work suffered the
>same fate.
Actualy Newtons done some good. work. I would be concerned that an
institution which removed Newtons work from their shelves for reasons of
political corectness might consider themselves a university, it just seems a
little pretentious to me.
Laurence Cuffe
From his obituary in the NYT
"Mr. Newton received many awards for his work, including the Grand Prix
National de la Ville de Paris and Commander in the Order of Arts and
Letters. In October, he donated more than 1,000 of his pictures to a German
cultural foundation for a museum intended to be a national center for
photography. It is scheduled to open in June in Berlin. "
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