Congrats, Jeff. Don't worry too much about the Polaroid (hemmhorroid (sp?)) holder as it will be worth nothing soon. Polaroid announced that it stopped manufacturing it's 4x5 films, the only Polaroid film still made in the US in MA along with their Netherlands integral films 600 and Spectra, and Mexican made pack films. Fuji may make some, but doubtful if they'd make 400 speed Type 52, 100 speed type 54, good old posi-neg Type 55, hi contrast Type 57 and color type 59. But to take care of it, open up the thick end by pulling with thumb and fingers on either side. You'll see the roller mechanism - at each end you'll see a ? shape hook that hooks over a nub at each end. If you slide that back, you can swing out the top stainless steel roller and clean it, and the roller inside. Remember you got yourself a camera that sells new without lens or accessories for $2721.00 !! And it's a great system. Can't wait to see your images. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kelley <jlkphoto@xxxxxxxxx> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 6:15 pm Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: Getting into 4x5 for the first time... I'm about to find out myself about 4x5 surge marks. The Sinar turned out to be better than described. I was sold as soon as the case opened. The only thing in the case that looks like it has been used is the Polaroid film holder, the camera, lenses and accessories look pristine. The seller bought it all new in the '80s & estimates he made about 100 exposures with it. It has been in storage for years...but I liberated it about an hour ago. Jeff On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Jim Brick <jim@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: You can get surge marks if you don't do it correctly, but you can get a plethora of anomalies with ANY processing method if done incorrectly. But it is just so simple with hangers in a tank. :-) Jim On Mar 26, 2008, at 2:14 PM, Jerry Laderberg wrote: > The old complaint re that method was about the " surge" marks. --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list