----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Wallace" <Marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:55 PM Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT - Bokken (was: Question on operatingand on screen for Rollei GX and Hood) > It is good to know that all Rollei Planars are the same; > the question > regarding Summicrons vs. Planars is asked in the light > that both produce > wonderfully detailed black and white negatives with > information across the > whole negative; including micro details and good shadow > and highlight > information. > I am not a camera collector I am a photographer and like > to use the zone > system, I would like to ask your opinion on what the best > standard lens on > any format any one has used, in order to not get pedantic > keep in mind that > this is a Question of opinion, The 3.5 F I owned was > stunningly sharp yet > exquisitely detailed with a soft tonal range. > Marvin. > The Zeiss Planar used on f/3.5 Rolleiflexes is a generic six element lens known variously as an Opic or Biotar. The prototype is the original (1896) Zeiss Planar of Paul Rudolph. This design was further developed by Horace W. Lee, of Taylor, Taylor, and Hobson (England) who made use of some assymetry (the two halves have somewhat different power) in order to help correct some residual aberrations and raise the speed from f/4.5 to f/2. Lee's lens was called the Opic (1924)but was not marketed well by TT&H so the design did not become well known. It was again taken up abut a year later by several designers including Tronnier of Schneider in a lens designed, evidently for Leitz, called the Xenon, and by Willie Merte of Zeiss for the very well known Biotar. This is an extremely poweful design. It is the basis for nearly all lenses of f/2 or faster for 35mm still cameras and for motion picture cameras. The first Leitz design using the Opic/Biotar was the Xenon but that was followed in 1933 by the Summar designed by Max Barek. The Leitz Summicron is not a single design but several variations of the Opic with various arrangements of additional elements, both cemented and air spaced. Mostly, the approach seems to have been air spacing the cemented component in the rear cell, but there are variations. The reason for air spacing is that it gives the designer more degrees of freedom to correct certain residual aberrations. Cemented surfaces were popular before good lens coatings became available because they have low reflection and thus do not contribute significantly to flare. However, they do limit the designer's options The five element Xenotar-Planar type is actually another variation of the original Planar. In it the positive element in one side is elminated by separating the cemented pair and making the negative one a thick, deeply bent meniscus. The resulting lens still retains much of the advantages of symmetry but results in a simpler structure. The five element version is attributed (by Kingslake) to Charles G. Wynne of Wray Optical (England) c.1944. The Zeiss and Schneider versions of this lens are somewhat different in arrangement but generally similar in performance. Five element lenses were used in the f/2.8 Rollei cameras. The design was changed to a conventional six element design for the f/3.5 camera presumably because it proved to be less expensive to make despite the additional element and cemented surface. In any case, all of these lenses, five element and six element Planar/Xenotar, and the Leitz Summicron, are all memebers of the same family of lenses. --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list