[rollei_list] Re: OT: Antiques Roadshow... Photography Edition

  • From: Eric Goldstein <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:10:28 -0400

Authenticity will never be proved. And I doubt that legal ownership,
including reproduction rights, will be either, but that varies markedly from
country to country and even state to state...

Eric Goldstein


On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Chris Burck <chris.burck@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> $200m seems like a wildly optimistic estimate for 65 negs.  they seem to be
> basing that figure, on the one hand, on the potential revenues to be made,
> over time, on the sale of posters and prints.  but on the other, they
> reference the $700k+ sale of one of adams' prints, as though that somehow
> factored in the calculus.  which makes no sense to me, because no print or
> poster they sell (assuming their venture goes forward), will ever be able to
> carry the claim of being an adams print.
> as far as the legality/copyright issues, i haven't a clue.  intellectual
> property rights are a huge grey area.  but i don't see why the guy couldn't
> do it, assuming authenticity could be proved.
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:31 AM, David Sadowski <dsadowski@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j2f9n7NC02rLPFNtita9WZOR-wdwD9H7MGIO0
>> It's interesting how Ansel Adams' grandson is so skeptical and
>> apparently uninterested in this treasure trove of glass plates.  His
>> attitude seems to be the negs are worthless because of the way AA
>> manipulated his images in the darkroom.
>> It would not surprise me if this eventually leads to a lawsuit.
>> Adams' grandson is objecting to the use of AA's name with a commercial
>> enterprise.
>> This could lead to an interesting court case.  I suppose it is
>> possible to own the negs but not own the copyright, in the same manner
>> that you can own a letter written by Salinger but not be able to
>> publish it?
>> So, on the one hand, if these negs are really by Ansel Adams, how can
>> anyone else besides the Adams Trust make money off them?  Unless you
>> could demonstrate that he sold them?  Or is it simply that they were
>> abandoned property if he left them at a place where he taught in the
>> early 1940s?
>> If I wrote a novel, and lost the manuscript, and years later someone
>> found it, wouldn't I still own the copyright?  I don't get how this
>> guy can make $200m off Ansel just because he has these negs- unless he
>> backpedals on the claim that they are by Adams, in which case they
>> won't be worth that kind of money.
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