"Jon, I can understand how you feel, but if you don't ride, you don't know the ins and the outs of the appearances. " Hi Doug, Thanks for the feedback...I did ride....Commuted 200 miles a week and then rode another 80 (minimum) miles on the weekend....I'd pick up my daughter, seat her on the cross bar and head out for a movie or book store. I did this for a period of at least 6 months. (Mid 1980's) Low period of my life...after my divorce when I could not afford to replace or repair my automobile. I managed to borrow enough money to buy a KHS mountain bike in Berkeley (about $300) Great bike...1/3 to 1/2 the weight of my old Schwinn and 15 speeds! I still have the bike...The local shop here in Oly wanted $300 to tune it up!! Can you imagine? They could not understand how I could have a hybrid of Shimano and Suntour components. They wanted to upgrade to all the latest SOTA Shimano....I bought a set of brake pads, a new chain, can of WD 40 and 2 new tubes...Less than $20 and it rides like new. Gear? I wear a helmet, reflective bands, yellow jacket and a pair of Wrangler blue jeans...No cli ps, cl etes, panty hose (Spandex?) no shirts advertising Campagnollo... And oh! The little odometer on the front hub reads 9800 miles.. I doubt if the Los Gatos crew whom I found fault with ever rode their bikes hard enough to break a sweat and stain their expensive jerseys...I did attempt but did not always finish some of the grade 5 or 9 climbs (depending on the rating scale) like Mountain Charley, Quimby Road, Mount Hamilton...again in jeans w/o clips, cleats or spandex.. Marc....I don't think we forget how to ride...it's just re-aligning our old fixed memories with our new re-aligned bodies.. Camera wardrobe?? oops.... I have a Tilley (<G>) which I had at least 10 years before I had my M3.... Jon --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list