[rollei_list] Re: Marvin Wallace and I Disagree

Eric, though you are impressed with my credentials you need not be, my intent 
was not argument from authority, rather it was to try to get you to see a 
particular style and genre, hence the names I mentioned.

Now, not only is it possible to see the difference between formats, this is 
also true of the types of camera, you missed that point!

As for the question of putting me to a test-what are you talking about, we are 
both grown men, I can assure you, not under any circumstances will I be 
engaging in any  such futile offer!

If you can't tell the difference on portraits taken with say a Mamiya super 
press with a 150mm and a Nikon FM2 with a 80mm, in terms of close up detail 
just one instance, that is after both images having been cropped so as to 
appear to be the same camera then...

Now, as for the fact that a single camera pulls a body of work together.. I 
never said that..notice one thing though, say Robert Mapplethorpe, does he 
change cameras and formats half way through a series?...of course not. A body 
of work depends of many factors, overall continuity in my opinion is one of the 
most important.
The reason for this amongst other things is it is then easier to understand the 
intent of the artist.That's why its done. 

This is exactly what was meant by my original post, nothing that I have said so 
far is not a logical conclusion from the initial premise, so read the previous 
posts carefully, try to dislodge and a priori judgement's before posting
> 
> From: "Eric Goldstein" <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2008/09/25 Thu AM 10:16:18 HKT
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Marvin Wallace and I Disagree
> 
> Marvin -
> 
> I am very impressed by your credentials. I myself have some small
> experience, having hired hundreds of photographers and produced
> thousands of film shoots trough the years. Yes, most experienced folks
> can tell the difference between an MF and a 35 mm enlargement, but
> that is a comparison very distant from your earlier statement. I will
> speak for us both... if I put you to the test you described earlier,
> with the cameras of my choice, you would fail. There is no doubt in my
> mind.
> 
> I still do not agree that a single camera pulls a body of work
> together in any way in an artistic sense; there have been and are so
> many notable examples in the legitimate/mainstream art world to
> contradict you...
> 
> 
> Eric Goldstein
> 
> --
> 
> On 9/24/08, Marvin Wallace <Marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: (snipped)
> 
> >  Eric,
> >  lets consider a portrait done on say my Mamiya 6 razor sharp 150mm lens. 
> > Not
> >  much close focus capacity, it's a 6 x 6 camera. Now say I display this next
> >  to a portrait done on my Nikon FM2 with 85 mm lens with a much greater 
> > close
> >  focusing capacity. Now there will be a world of difference between the two
> >  photographs even if cropped so as to appear the same ratio, if you cant see
> >  that well....and that's not even taking into account sharpness etc...so and
> >  in conclusion I totally disagree with you that one can't see the 
> > differences
> >  in prints displayed together taken with different cameras. Maybe its true 
> > of
> >  yourself, but you are not speaking for me.
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