[rollei_list] Re: Marvin Wallace and I Disagree

I think we should keep in mind that there is a distinction between, crop and
image management. Adams, talked freely about image management, which was a
corrective procedure for such things as converging verticals, cropping per
se he did "not" as a rule.
My teachers told me to crop with the camera and it has remained great advice
to this day.
I suspect that this is such an emotional subject because it challenges the
individual's ideas about their own photographic competence.
Marvin Wallace. 

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I agree with Marc 200% on this. Maybe even 300%!

Living on the West (left) Coast, near Ansel Adams' home, as I was  
growing up, photographing along the coast, I would meet-up with Ansel.  
We were acquaintances. I have seen many of Ansel's proof prints (first  
prints from a 4x5 or 8x10 neg), full frame. Not only does his final  
display prints from these negs not look anything like the first proof  
print, they are all CROPPED!

There is NO SUCH THING as being able to produce the perfect  
composition with a fixed focal length camera system. Perhaps there are  
situations where you have scads of space fore and aft allowing  
appropriate movement for that perfect composition. But this is very  
rare. There is always a river, cliff, tree, building, freeway,  
whatever, in the way and my SL66 is sans zoom. So I crop! As does  
everyone else that I know. Although I suspect there are a lot of folks  
in SFO that don't crop! Maybe even Marin!

Jim


On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Marc James Small wrote:

>
> Wow.  Trust me on this, the Dag guys didn't crop.  Trust me, every  
> photographer since then has cropped.  I have seen a lt of historic  
> negatives and have then seen the prints made from them:  they were  
> cropped.
>
> Cropped photos are life.  I cannot comprehend the sort of anal- 
> retentive mindset which demands that all pictures be printed full- 
> frame.  It just does not work that way.  Any one who has spent time  
> in a dark room has experienced the process of just HOW to crop a  
> decent negative.  A lot of poor pictures produce a great cropped  
> image.
>
> Marc
>

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