[rollei_list] Re: In case the film counter does not engage on loading
- From: Binjassim <tyco@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:44:05 +0300
Hi:
I found when LOADing a film, the counter, which, at times, did not begin to
start counting, resulted in the whole film to going through.
And the solution was to put a little momentary pressure on the feeler
roller, and the counter was engaged. May bd useful for someone who has this
problem. Regards, John
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From: "CarlosMFreaza" <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 10:42 PM
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: 220, it worked!
Hi John:
If I avoid the film feeler rollers putting the film on
the lower main roller directly or if I "stop" them from the beginning,
the frames counter never will be engaged, the film advances free up to
its end. The wedge in the Rolleikin inner spool knob has no effect in
the film transport mechanism, its purpose is to maintain fixed the
inner knob. The film transport mechanism working is modified for the
Rolleikin via the conjunction 35mm Counter knob/35mm film Guide
Frame/35mm film take-up Spool.
I made any kind of experiments to work with 220 film without the
adaptation and it would be bored to comment about them, my conclusions
are that there are only two main ways for the automat Rolleiflexes,
one of them is using the additional tape at the right moment according
I commented previously and the other is -looking it the best way- that
one suggested by Dennis and explained below previously, it has the
advantages you needn't a tape and you needn't a dark bag or darkness
conditions, assuring the complete 24 exposures, anyway I did not try
this way yet, I'll try it for the next 220 film.
After to use the three rolls I still have in the freezer, I don't
think to use 220 film often, perhaps the next time the format is no
longer available, I hope it does not happen of course.
Carlos
2010/4/16 John Wild <jwild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
Hi Carlos,
What about trying to wedge the rollers apart - with a narrow piece of
masking tape rolled around either end or strip of 'credit card' - when you
load the 220 film? If you did this, would the film actually have to go
through the rollers at all? I do not have a Rolleiflex in front of me as
I'm
typing, so cannot actually see how the film would 'fit' if it was over the
top of the rollers.
My reason for suggesting this is that with the Rolleikin kit, the cassette
holder has an arm with a wedge shaped end. This is put between the
rollers,
I think, to fool the camera into registering that the film emulsion has
just
started.
If this is the case, the only thing that would be necessary would be to
wind
the film to the start of the emulsion in the dark, close the back and wind
on one turn and the counter would be at '1' for the first exposure. After
'12' just open the back (in the dark) and close it again and carry on.
????
John
On 15/04/2010 05:45, "CarlosMFreaza" <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
A few minutes ago Dennis Purdy has suggested me a method even simpler
that works with the automat Rolleiflexes only, since the 220 film has
paper at the start and at the end, after to take the frame 12 the film
will advance free up to the end, you only need to put the film loaded
upper spool in the lower spool chamber and to start again as for a new
roll, since the end paper is joined to the film with a tape too, it
will work as the film start for the rollers, you take again the 12
frames and you get the 24 frames finally, very easy really.
Carlos
2010/4/15 CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>:
Yes Jerry, I think it is a solution if you use 220 film sometimes, BTW
if you use it regularly perhaps it would be better the 220 adaptation.
Carlos
2010/4/15 Jerry Lehrer <glehrer@xxxxxxxxxx>:
Carlos,
Good boy! Smart thinking, indeed. I did the same thing MANY years ago
when
220 film
first came out. I opened the back and stuck a 2 inch long piece of
black
slide binding tape
to the back of the film just before the feeler rollers. In a changing
bag
of course. Worked
every time.
Jerry
CarlosMFreaza wrote:
I did it, I rewound again the 220 film from the 'cord IV, I loaded it
in the 2.8C again, I shot with the lens cap on the lens up to the
frame 12, working with my hands within a dark bag I open the camera
back, the frames counter returned to zero, I found with my fingers the
roller and put the same tape that comes with films to stick the film
start to the paper on the film in the camera, to the part beside the
roller but before to pass between the rollers, I closed the camera and
turned the crank, I perceived the typical resistence when the rollers
"feel" the film start and after a short advance the number 1 appeared
in the window, the 2.8C it's ready to shoot the frame 13.
I comment these experiences because I think they could be useful for
some Rollei users, B&W 220 film is no longer available after TMY 320
was discontinued some months ago, but it is available for color
negative and slide films.-
Carlos
2010/4/14 CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>:
I was thinking about this issue, perhaps the solution is easy, I only
need to add a tape to the film when I open the camera back, the frame
12 is in the film gate, if I add a tape after the frame 12 and close
the back, the tape plus film will press the lower roller and the film
counter will be engaged again, perhaps I'll rewind the film in the
'cord to try this solution with the 2.8C again.
Carlos
2010/4/14 CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>:
After the success using 220 film with the Rolleicord IV, I commented
I
had uploaded the 2.8C with the Tri-X ISO 320, 220; I also commented
the automatic mechanism worked fine to advance the frames counter up
to the number 1. After to take the frame 12 and before to advance
the
film, I open the camera back in the darkness and the frames counter
came back to zero, as you could expect. Problem was when I started
to
advance the film again, the film advance mechanism worked as if the
film was already finished, the film advanced but it never engaged
the
number 1, the automatic film feeler to advance to number 1 did not
work because there was film running through it evidently. I rewound
the film in an empty spool and put it in the 'cord IV, I shot with
the
lens cap on the lenses up to the frame 12 (this first part has the
images taken with the 2.8C) and repeated the procedure, it worked
fine
again with the 'cord IV because this camera does not have the lower
film feeler mechanism, the film advanced up to the number 1 and the
camera is ready to shoot the real frame number 13, I'll have Xenotar
and Xenar shots in the same roll.-
Carlos
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