[rollei_list] Re: Grossly OT: California and Politics

I don't know, the liberalism I see certainly approaches:

>From each according to their means, to each according to their needs.

I think it liberalism is definately in this continuum, though,
without some type of revolution, can never quite pull it off
completely...

However, for those liberals on the list:

from each of your Leica collections, according to your means, into my
hands, because of my need...





On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 20:51 -0400, Allen Zak wrote:
> On Sep 29, 2005, at 1:43 PM, John Jensen wrote:
> 
> > You have an interesting history of experiences with
> > communism.  Now, to provoke some controversy here, I
> > will repeat a good line - "Communism is nothing but
> > Liberalism in a hurry."
> 
> Provocation accepted.
> 
> That formulation assumes that "Communism" and "Liberalism" are part of 
> the same political/economic continuum.  However, the various iterations 
> of socialism have nothing to do with "liberalism," which is part of a 
> capitalist ideological arc that includes "conservatism."  Both isms 
> support private accumulation while socialism does not.
> 
> Grossly simplified, conservatism consists of: "Grab all you can and 
> smash anyone who gets in the way."  Liberalism is more like "Grab all 
> you can and throw a few coins at the rabble to buy some social peace."
> The institutions of state welfare sometimes resemble socialism but are 
> usually established for other reasons.  For example, Europe's first 
> social security system, advocated by Karl Marx, was launched by Otto 
> von Bismark, who was neither liberal nor socialist.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Allen Zak
> 
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