[rollei_list] Re: Decline of Rollieflex/Film
- From: "Austin Franklin" <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:42:44 -0500
Hi Carlos,
I am stating what we all already know, with respect to your personal
comment. You have a significant bias towards Rollei, and against
Hasselblad. It has always been that way. I do not expect it to change. To
fuss about it is simply a diversion.
Anyway, what's the point of what you've cited? I know all that. I've been
using and collecting Hasselblads for decades. It has not a thing to do with
your claim that somehow Hasselblad didn't have anything to do with the
decline in sales of the Rollei TLR. And, I'm still a bit miffed how anyone
could believe that. IF the Hasselblad weren't around, what would people
have bought if they wanted a high end MF camera? It's obvious that some
people who bought Hasselblads, if the Hasselblad weren't around, would have
bought Rolleis. Hasselblad most certainly contributed to the decline of
Rollei TLR sales. It's the significance that could be disputed, but
contribution to some degree can not. Given the number of Hasselblads sold,
that number is more than likely significant than not. To deny that is
simply silly.
Regards,
Austin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of CarlosMFreaza
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:19 AM
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Decline of Rollieflex/Film
>
>
> Austin:
> you are being personal regarding me with your expressions,
>
> "The Hasselblad camera comes into its own
>
> 1957 was the real turning point for the company. The 1000F was
> replaced by the 500C. The landmark 500C design formed the basis for
> Hasselblad's product line for the next forty years, with variants
> still being produced in small quantities in 2008. It was not until
> 1960, though, that Hasselblad's cameras became profitable; prior to
> this point, the company was still being entirely supported by sales of
> imported photographic supplies, including their distribution of Kodak
> products."
>
> Look for the info in Wikipedia
>
> Carlos
>
> 2010/3/25 Austin Franklin <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > Hi Carlos,
> >
> > I think at times you are blinded by shiny things...tagged Rollei, and
> > invisible to things...tagged Hasselblad. What proof do you
> have that shows
> > Hasselblads were only for professionals, and that more advanced amateurs
> > used Rolleis than Hasselblads? I understand Rollei's "Golden Age"...but
> > that isn't what we're discussing. We're discussing the decline of the
> > Rollei TLR, and Hasselblad had a significant contribution to
> that. For some
> > reason, you don't want to accept that "established fact".
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Austin
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of CarlosMFreaza
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:44 AM
> >> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Decline of Rollieflex/Film
> >>
> >>
> >> And then you don't know about the Rollei TLR market at the time
> >> Austin, Hasselblad always was a camera for the professional market
> >> only, Rollei TLR cameras were cameras for the advanced amateur market
> >> mainly with a quality for professionals and it was the reason some
> >> professionals started to use it from the beginning, if you don't
> >> accept some established facts in the photography history like the
> >> Rollei TLR cameras "Golden age", it does not make sense to discuss
> >> this issue.
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >> 2010/3/25 Austin Franklin <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >> > Hi Carlos,
> >> >
> >> > I see it drastically differently. Professionals were using
> >> Hasselblads more
> >> > so than Rolleis starting in the mid to late 50's and on. Just
> >> look at the
> >> > production numbers. If there were no Hasselblads, a
> >> significant number of
> >> > those purchases would have been Rolleis instead.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Austin
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of CarlosMFreaza
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:24 AM
> >> >> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Decline of Rollieflex/Film
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Austin:
> >> >> It's clear that from 1948 to 1960 Hasselblad did not
> >> >> affect the Rollei TLR production and sales, this decade was the
> >> >> postwar TLR "Golden age" , it was the time for Rollei TLR top
> >> >> production and top sales. The Japanese TLR cameras were the direct
> >> >> competition for Rollei. Rollei noticed they could not
> compete with the
> >> >> Japanese TLRs about price and then they thought about the MF SLR
> >> >> camera and 35mm cameras, it was Rollei that started to
> compete against
> >> >> Hasselblad in 1966 and not Hasselblad against Rollei,
> however it was
> >> >> an error for Rollei the decision about its own MF SLR no
> production in
> >> >> 1955 with the prototype ready to do it, that decision had to do with
> >> >> the excellent moment for the TLR,but RH did not think Rollei would
> >> >> need MF SL and 35mm cameras to survive after his death.
> >> >>
> >> >> Carlos
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2010/3/25 Austin Franklin <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >> >> > Hi Carlos,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Soooo...you don't think Hasselblad had anything to do with the
> >> >> Rolleiflex
> >> >> > TLR decline?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Regards,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Austin
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
> CarlosMFreaza
> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:27 AM
> >> >> >> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Decline of Rollieflex/Film
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> If you are talking about the Rolleiflex TLR, its decline
> had nothing
> >> >> >> to do with the digital era, German photographic industry
> started to
> >> >> >> lose markets and to close factories from about 1955/56 due to the
> >> >> >> Japanese photographic industry competition; F&H had a
> >> continous growth
> >> >> >> up to about 1958; in 1959 the growth stopped and while Reinhold
> >> >> >> Heidecke felt the Japanese TLR cameras were like a homage
> >> to his work,
> >> >> >> they slowly were reducing the Rollei TLR market. RH died
> in 1960 and
> >> >> >> Rollei management decided to develop the MF SLR that RH
> did not want
> >> >> >> to manufacture in 1955. About 1965 Rollei TLR cameras
> production was
> >> >> >> reduced and R&D work abandoned due to the Rollei SL 66
> and Rollei 35
> >> >> >> launching in 1966. The number of Rollei TLR cameras
> >> produced from 1973
> >> >> >> to 1981 was very, very small in comparison with the TLR
> golden age
> >> >> >> production. The TLR did not integrate the Rollei models
> to produce
> >> >> >> after the bankruptcy process, it was a risky decison of the
> >> new Rollei
> >> >> >> management to produce the F Aurum and Platin and due to these
> >> >> >> expensive models little success within their limited edition they
> >> >> >> decided to produce the GX for little batches. 1966 and
> 1973 are two
> >> >> >> significant years to consider the Rollei TLR decline.-
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Carlos
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
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