[rollei_list] Re: Decline of Rollieflex/Film
- From: "Austin Franklin" <austin.franklin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:34:11 -0500
Hi,
It seems to me Prochnow was talking about TLRs. Hasselblad didn't make a
TLR.
And to Marc's "point", the quote clearly states "late fifties". And, as you
of course know, the 500C was out in 1957, which would mean it was out
throughout "late fifties". It's hard to ignore that the release of the 500C
coincides with the decline of Rolleiflex sales. It's hard to believe it
made no contribution to the decline of Rolleiflex sales. Even though it was
a high end medium format camera that used the "same" lense as the high end
Rollei TLR, and the same film format. I'd say that Hasselblad helped
decline the high end Rollei TLR sales, and the Japanese "copies" helped
decline the lower end Rollei TLR sales. When I think Rollei, at least in
that ear, I think in terms of the Planar/Xenotar 2.8 Rolleis. But, of
course, there are the Rolleicords, and the 3.5 etc. I would agree,
Hasselblad had little impact on those cameras.
Regards,
Austin
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>
> Marc, you are 100% right on the point and to enlarge my Prochnow
> previous quote, he writes in the Rollei Report 1: "... the late
> fifties brought _recessionary_ developments to Rollei's door, due to
> the _Japanese assault to the world market_. Dr. Heidecke understood
> that the success of the Rolleiflex and the expiration of previously
> insurmountable patents inspired the Japanese to copy his products. But
> he also took the trend to copy him as acompliment. Apart from 100%
> clones of individual components, new designs were created that neither
> looked nor worked like Rollei cameras, but sold for much less..."
> (Report 1, page 1-35). There is no a minimal word about Hasselblad
> competition.
>
> Carlos
>
>
> 2010/3/25 Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> > At 05:41 PM 3/25/2010, Austin Franklin wrote:
> >
> >>I never said Hasselblad was the cause. I simply refuted Carlos's claim
> >> that
> >>Hasselblad didn't contribute to it...and you now say you agree with me.
> >>Well, then, we need not continue arguing that point, eh? We
> could continue
> >>about the 1600/1000...but I do suggest you do a bit more research about
> >>those before we continue ;-)
> >
> > First. most of you guys seem to view me as the Drill Sergeant
> of this List.
> > I am not. (In honesty, I am very retired Lieutenant Colonel
> of the List
> > ... ) To shock a lot of the folks here, Austin and I are CLOSE to
> > agreeing.
> >
> > The years are significant. I can find no evidence that
> Hasselblad impacted
> > on Franke & Heidecke (WHY did these firms have such improbable
> and oddball
> > names? Leitz or Zeiss Ikon or Robot. Zheezh!) up to the
> introduction of
> > the 500C. After that point, the F&H sales were bound to slip
> in light of
> > the Japanese assault. F&H was going to die in any event, as it
> had never
> > really established a home market. (Carlos: help me out here,
> or dissent!
> > You knew Prochnow, after all!)
> >
> > Second, what more research do I need to do? I have owned over
> the years a
> > number of 1000F and 1600F cameras. I sent the numbers to Rick Nordin,
> > Austin, and I believe that your received a copy.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> > msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
> >
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