[rollei_list] Re: "Apples to apples" (was: Surprised)
- From: Marc James Small <msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:27:27 -0500
At 01:48 PM 3/30/05 -0500, Ardeshir Mehta wrote:
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>Yes, in terms of date of production you are right.
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>But what does an M3 compare to in the Rolleiflex world, then, according=20
>to you?
What else but a Rolleiflex made during the life of the M3, that is, say, a
2.8FD, E, or F? Compare prices, and you will find them of comparable price
in comparable condition.
>Oh, no question about that. But even a 2.8F Rolleiflex TLR - let alone=20
>an E or a D model - is a lot cheaper than a Leica M3.
I bought my M3, just overhauled, seven years back for $450. I don't
believe that they have moved much since that time. A recently overhauled
2.8F will probably cost around $600 or more.
>Yes, but using a Jupiter on a Leica defeats much of the point of using=20
>a Leica, dunnit. The heart of the Leica mystique are its lenses! If you=20
>want to use a Jupiter, use it with a Zorki, or at best a Leica III=20
>replica made in Russia or the Ukraine.
This is bunk. There is no "mystique" to Leitz lenses: they are simply
excellent lenses. The Jupiter-3 is a clone of the 1.5/5cm Carl Zeiss Jena
Sonnar T, and certainly will outperform any Summarit ever made or even the
first version of the Summicron. The Jupiter-8 is a clone of the 2/5cm CZJ
Sonnar T and is certainly as capable of excellent results as is the
Summitar or first-generation Summicron. (See my LTM lens book for detailed
discussion on these points.)
>By the way, my Jupiter-11 cost me just $10 plus shipping, and my=20
>Jupiter-8 came with my $45 (shipping included) Zorki! And both are=20
>tack-sharp, though probably not QUITE as good as a Summicron.
Which version of the Summicron? If your Jupiter-3 does not outshoot a
first-generation Summicron at f/1.5, then you should send it back.
>But my point is that an OLD Rolleiflex with an f/2.8 Planar or Xenotar,=20
>that is to say anything made in the sixties or before, is considerably=20
>cheaper on eBay than any OLD Leica M-series complete camera (i.e., with=20
>one f/2 Summicron included) made at about the same time! Right?
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>... RIGHT?
Wrong. =20
Marc
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