[rollei_list] Re: Another Capa Tidbit
- From: Allen Zak <azak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:30:15 -0400
On Oct 25, 2007, at 1:19 AM, Marc James Small wrote:
(Certainly off-topic, but it is worthy to note that Marshall was
always trying to spur Eisenhower to be more daring and to use
parachute and glider troops to hit enemy rear areas. He tried with
Rome, he tried with Paris, he tried with Berlin, but the rather stolid
and unimaginate and inept Eisehower frustrated him every time, though
Eisenhower rather stupidly approved MARKET GARDEN, one of the two most
tragic failures in the history of airborne ops.)
Marc
On Oct 25, 2007, at 1:19 AM, Marc James Small wrote:
(Certainly off-topic, but it is worthy to note that Marshall was
always trying to spur Eisenhower to be more daring and to use
parachute and glider troops to hit enemy rear areas. He tried with
Rome, he tried with Paris, he tried with Berlin, but the rather stolid
and unimaginate and inept Eisehower frustrated him every time, though
Eisenhower rather stupidly approved MARKET GARDEN, one of the two most
tragic failures in the history of airborne ops.)
Marc
Until now, my view has accorded with yours, but lately I have been
entertaining the notion that maybe there was some wisdom in
Eisenhower's leadership. The generals he had to work with ranged in
aptitude from brilliant to much less, and he was not always in a
position to dispense with some of the problematic ones (Montgomery) for
reasons of inter alliance harmony. Market Garden is a good
illustration of what can happen when daring has its way if its planner
isn't good at it. Even when applied successfully, in re the German
airborne assault on Crete, casualties were so heavy that their general
staff abandoned the tactic as not worth the cost.
Daring and imagination are necessary when an armed force is at a
numerical, materiel or operational disadvantage, but seldom when at
overwhelming superiority (for all his brilliance, Robert E. Lee had to
surrender his army to a general who never approached his abilities).
Eisenhower had at his command resources enough to crush German
resistance, no matter what they did. Recently I saw a video interview
of a WW2 Panzer commander who said he believed his tankers could hold
their own outnumbered 2 to 1 against allied tanks, even 4 to 1, but it
was more like 8 to 1 they faced. In a situation like that, quantity
becomes a quality, and there is no need to risk setbacks with fancy
maneuvers when "stolid and unimaginative" will surely succeed.
Eisenhower, by opting for less intricacy, effectively finessed the need
for inspired generalship in exchange for fewer costly failures.
Not convinced, still thinking on it.
Allen Zak
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Marc
(Certainly off-topic, but it is worthy to note that Marshall was always trying to spur Eisenhower to be more daring and to use parachute and glider troops to hit enemy rear areas. He tried with Rome, he tried with Paris, he tried with Berlin, but the rather stolid and unimaginate and inept Eisehower frustrated him every time, though Eisenhower rather stupidly approved MARKET GARDEN, one of the two most tragic failures in the history of airborne ops.)
Marc
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